In Zululand, AmaQwathi, are called Mthethwa who are Bafokeng Sothos – part of their praise names are Muthwa, Nyambose, Ntshakala (Shakala or Shaka) and Mofokeng. They are also the core of what King Shaka built the Zulus from, along with the Qwabe. Dingiswayo/Godongwane who led the Mthethwa people and was killed by Zwide. The people who call themselves Xhosa come from a structure called AmaGosa or AmaKhoza or AmaKxhosa (ngesiNdebele) or AmaXhosa which is the old Elder’s council of the combined Nguni Nation. That was the word Xhosa means = elder and seer of God.
Fikeni = Bafikeng = Mfingo = Mfengu = Mbengo (Biyela/Biyane people, or actually a combination of Myeza and Biyela people – the Biyela are the Zulu clan (from the Royal Zulu family who ran a Sabela city or a city of Refuge where you could go if you had killed someone accidentally and uSabele khona) that bore the Mkhize clan). The Eastern Cape people are split into 2 groups: namely, the Nkomo or Fula = Faku (thus the word Khafula, which is what we called ourselves) people and the Hlahla or Mabasa or Mabaso people of the Ntungwa or Sibiya clan.
There are more than 100m Fula people in Africa in Ithiopia (where we come from), West and Central Africa and they are cattle herders = Khoi or Nkomo or Khomo people of the Sibiya people and in South Africa where a lot call themselves Mvulane or Mvula or Pula (like Lesotho and Batswana) and Fula and Faku. Fula also = Buya = Bula = Biya = Bila = Vila = Viya = Vela = Fela = Pela = Piya = Bela (as in Ntombela = Tobia = Topia = Ithiopia). This is why Africa was called IthiyoPIA or IthiyoBIA = Umhlaba wo Biya. it is also why there are 5 countries with BIA in their name: GamBIA, ZamBIA, EthioPIA, LiBYA and ColomBIA – majority people of Southern African descent – there are over 200m blacks in South America – the same place where both King Cetshwayo and King Dinizulu were kept in prison). Also called the Xaba or Shaba or Saba or Sheba or Shiba (oMkhwanazi or Vanwa’Nathi or Monganathi/Maonathi or Makua-Nyathi or Makua-Nyai) or Siba or Sibi people. The Side or Lukhulu come from Nsinde (a Zulu house that I come directly from which was King Dinizulu’s house, otherwise known as Mgwaba or Jamela or Nzamela or Jamane or Jama or Sibande or Sibanda or Mathe/Ncanana house of the Zulu). My Mom grew up here and it is the house of Kings and thus is technically a Zwane house as uZwane is the house of abaNtwana or former kings. Lukhulu means Mthiyane or Mthania people – the Sibiya clan that mated with the Jama clan to produce the Senzangakhona clan. They are called Sokhulu and like the Ndlanzi come from the Dosini or Cele people of Southern Africa, now, headquartered in South Coast but originally like most of the Eastern Cape, were the occupants of Durban or Dubane or Dubela = Ndobe-Rwa or Dube-Qwabe or Dube-Lawa or Dube Lawi people.
There are 3 dynasties of Zulu living in Eastern Cape, namely, King Shaka’s or Ishaka or Sanga or Dlanga or Mhlanga (Ndebele = Nzuza or Zizi or Gegana = Dosini, Nsele or Cele or in Zwane terms Cengesi-Ntshosho/Zotsho). Then you have Dingane or Madzikane or Dikela (eluBhaceni and surrounding clans) – this is the same word. In Nguni or Bantu languages these words are the same word: Nyai and Nyika. If you do to Dikela what you do to Nyika to turn it into Nyai, then you will see that you get Madzikane or Dikane or Dingane, basically Kela = Kane/Kani or Ngwane or Ngani. If you lived in Mpumalanga or KZN, you would know that Kela or Sokhela is the surname and praise name for uMgwezane or Mkheshane or Khetse people called AmamNdzudza or in Zulu Nzuza or Zizi or Zizwane (which is how they are Zwane people called Amangwe, Dolomba/Cebekhulu and Ndiweni (Kheswa)). The last dynasty is called Mpande. Mpande is also called Phathe or Pate or Pale or Phale or Phalet or Mbali (meaning, literally, flower as in Kimbali or Kimberley) or Mpanda, Banda or Sibanda or Mgwaba or Gaba or Bhayi (Port Elizabeth and surrounds – all those people are Zulu) or Mbai or Pai (kuBeSuthu – makuthiwa sivela kubeSuthu, they are talking about Pedis who are the same as Tswanas or Bomvana or Mpofana – that is what Tswanas are oBomvana). Even the Gcaleka’s are Zulu. They are Mkhwanazi. I live in a Mkhwanazi Township called eSikhawini in the heart of Zululand and I can confirm to you, it is mini-Xhosaland here when you start comparing the name places and the surnames etc. There is another eSikawini in Cele-Bhaca-Mpondo land in lower KZN and the name places repeat themselves about 3 or 4 times in EC and KZN. See, eSikhawini is sandwiched between Qwabe and KwaMthethwa (eMpangeni to St Lucia – also Mthiyane or Cele territory). So, to really understand who we are, we have to drop the language classifications because they are deceiving. Let us look at each other as Nguni only and take it from there and Nguni includes Sotho as Sothos libate themselves with Matebele. So, to find out who you are, you have to answer the question: “Where do I fit in, in the Nguni classification of Southern African people?”
AmaXesibe, make up the Mthethwa clan and included in them are Ndlela kaSompisi – King Shaka and King Dingaan’s trusted head of Army. He was killed by Dingaan and his people fled to Eastern Cape. There they became the Xhosa nation. Ndlela, Ntuli (AmaBhele (Shaka-Dingane) is the single largest group of Zulus in the Province, followed closely by amaZizi/Dlamini (Shaka).
Abantu basemakhaya or ezilalini – which by the way literally means the same tribe i.e. Makhaya tribe = Melali or Malawi (Malawu) or Malinga or Meru or Mbedu or Mbedwini = Qwabe-Nqetho = Makhanya = Mahaye= Makhaye = Magaye = Ngai = Gai = Khai (where the words TransKEI and CisKEI come from) = Gumbi = Nkupi = Ngobe = Kobi = Kobo = Ngcobo (there are a lot of Ngcobo people in KZN, especially in Durban where most Eastern Cape Zulu-Xhosas are from – also, Mfusi = Mfuze = Afuze (Nigeria)) = Sbiya house – the Ngcobo even say: Sibiya ngeziNKOMO (Mphankomo, Jolinkomo, Majola – AmaWushe or AmaWuse or Emmaus or Hausa (Nigeria) or Aussa (Ethiopia) people – along with their partner tribe called Fulani or Mvulane or Faku or Fakude or Fulatha or Ephrata
or Fakathi or Fakazi or Fokoti or Phakathi or BaKhathi or Makhathi(ni) or Bakatse or BaGazi or BaGuzi or BaGazu or BaGau or BaGcau – read old pre-colonial maps – Eastern Capers were called Khafula or Kaffrarians (=Khafula-Lia/Lela/Lwane/Dela = Gafudana = Zwane/Zingelwane or Zingelwayo clan) along with the Sothos), abafokazana (Bafokeng/MaFikeni) beBIYA ngamaHlahla (VhaHlengwe or Hleke or Mabasa or Mabaso or amaHalaHala or maDladla or MaNyanja or Njanya). . This is the Cele or Ndosi or Dosini people of the Hala-Thembu or Mhlazana as they are called within the Zingelwayo or Zela or Zwane or Zeroua (Namibia) or Zweni or Ntweni or Ndiweni people of Sibiya clan. The other part is Zembethe or Zebediela or Zethembe which includes Gazu/Gau/Gcau/Sau which bore the Mpangalala or Mpingangala or Bakgatla as they are called amongst the Sothos who then bore the Sotobe or BeSoto. Sotobe was a keen warrior of King Shaka and the Zulu and was taken to see the Queen with King Cetshwayo but came back much later with a white boy. (Still no-one can explain beside slave raids how so many Zulus ended up in South America) Needless to say, the rest is history and now we have the whole country of Zulu people who will deny their heritage vehemently. This only started after 1994 because of dirty ANC politics. In KZN today, the people who understand Xhosa best live eMakhaya because Xhosa is old-school Zulu like how Zimbabwean Ndebele is old-school Zulu. Even Sotho words can sometimes be gleaned directly from old Zulu because we used to speak all languages until apartheid said we should speak just one.
One last thing, Khoza = Kxhosa = Xhosa = Gosa = Ela. That is why the Northern KZN surname of the Nkosi clan called Maoela who maintain that they are Sothos (I think it is safe to maintain that all Zulus are Suthus and that all Suthus are Zulus). If I had a dollar for every Zulu nation that comes from Suthus…), Maoela = Maonkosi = Monga-Nkosi = Makua-Nkosi = Manunkosi = Manukuza = Shangaan. Need, I remind you that Soshangane was king of the Gaza or Gwaza (of which Rharhabe’s are a part, as the nation that is supposed to be ruling the lower Eastern Cape people). Eli = Inge = Ingwe = Nkosi = Nkwe (kuBeTswana and Sotho) = Mweli = first born in the Ndaba clan – the Dube-Lovedu-Lobengula-Ndobe superclan of Africa comes from Ndaba or Apollo (in Ghana the Dumisa people of the Akhan = Angwani or Hangwani or baNgwane or Halani or Harani or Hlane or Sane or Mdlani or Darani or Drani or Drake or Drakens or Dlange or Ndlela or Sela (or Sele or Nsele) or Hlela or Sheya or Seya or Siya or Bosia or Bosani or Posani etc.) or Mpolo or Mbolo or Mpondo or Mbuthu or Mbotho or MPhotho or MPhuthu or MPutu – the Zwane khanda in KZN is called Mbolobeni. (An Aside, Drakensbek = Dlangesbheke = Dlange-Bhele = Ndlela-Bhele and that is why kugcwele oNdlela around Drakensberg and Lesotho.
The Gcaleka’s are Zulu Kings from the Qwabe clan. They ranked higher than the lower Eastern Cape King and so they took it when they moved there as a lower ranking king cannot rule over a higher ranking one. I still think uGcaleka is supposed to lead the Mozambican Zulus called abaNdawu. What happened to King Soshangane’s dynasty in any case? These include the Zimbabweans.
If you want to see who we are, then we have to start looking at Nguni clans and not Zulu clans because oMkhwanazi baseMpangeni abehlukile from oMkhwanazi base Eastern Cape or Cape Town. People don’t know that the townships Nyanga and Langa, in Cape Town, were settled by Zulu people. So was Macassar (Indonesia) and Manenburg (Indonesia-Phillipines) but some of these were resettled from Asia like the Wushe- the Wushe were in Taiwan – just google Wushe + Taiwan and look for pictures and look at your cousin and look at the date of the pictures. (Isigodlo saseNdulo samaWushe sikwaNongoma nasoLundi, by the way and they protect the Zulu King) It is all Zulu people. Zulu people had all kinds of features, straight hair, curly hair, short nose, long nose, big nose, blond hair, blue eyes – look up Melanesian people of Pacific etc. but divide and rule killed this nation. And it is the BeSotho or Sotobe Zulus that bared the brunt.
Sorry, the last country with BIA in its name is NamiBIA. You can google how they got that name. It came from their clans that they have there. The Naham = Jama = Nama = Nyama = meat = Mbo/Nyamazane = black = Ngama = Gama = Jamela or Nzamela or Damane or Thamaga or Daman or Gqunukwen or Gqunukhwebe who libate themselves with Zulu and are actually Shangaan people who are Zulu in origin from the Ndwandwe or Nxumalo or Axum clan. The BIA is Sibiya or Bani or Fani or Vani or Fangi or Fangu or Bangu = Bango = Bhengu = Fengu = Feku = Faku = Fula = Fike = Feli people.
Also, Kela = Kkhosa = Kxhosa = Xhosa = Gosa = Elder or seer of God or wise people or Magi or Machi or Miya or Biya (plural of Miya). If you know that Nyai/Nyali = Nyika, then you can change Kela = Kane = Kwane = Ngwane. oSokhela (Sokwane or Songwane = Songani = Songoni = Mhlongoni = Mhlongo = Shangani = Sangani = Mhlangani (one of the brothers who together with Mkabayi = Mgwaba or Ncaphayi or Valoi or Moloi or Gwambe, Dingane = Bhaca and Mbopha kaSithayi = Rharhabe killed King Shaka’s dynasty that they were a part of) = Nqwamana = Ngamela = Ngamane = Nkamane) used to be central council of elders from all the Nguni nations who sat together to consider and rule on things that affected the Nguni nation.
King Shaka was a Zulu King of Mpondo origins, maternally. That is why wayebizwa ngoMlilwana or Ilwana or the Pokomo or Mphankomo people.
the amaqwathi started to migrate to many areas of south africa after the 1880 anticolonial revolution. the house of Dikela wich is the main house will never gain its status as his grand sons are no more concerned about the kingdom and its rituals. for eg. Nqele was buried in the northren free state farms following his death in 1916. some lot of history lied in his grave.
You seem to have better knowledge of our history and i think I can learn a lot from you. I have been tracing my ancestry and ended up in Free State were my great grandfather Nqele died but still don’t have the name of the farm because my father was born in the 40’s therefore difficult for him to tell me more. I really want to trace my ancestry until in the Eastern Cape.
im also doing lot of follow ups concerning who i am, but thanks! As to Nqele i know his grave and a little history to tell, my farther was called him grandfather.
As i was saying he was the grand farther of farther like you he is my great grandfather, My advantage is one as to the issue of Nqele i lived in the free state not far from his grave, his grandson Ntengwane did somenthing amaizing before he past away, i was young by then but i can re call he sid to my farther he is not gonna pass away although he want to before he make his parents tomb stones he was by then very old. He did them and little later he passed away and was burried at the township of Kanana Orkney. He left us history, i must say. Again i may say you receive history by fortunes not by your presence when it was happening. I visit Ragadi often as she live nearby in the same township she is a daughter of Ntengwana she can tell alot too. I wish we can meet as the qwathi in huge ceremony to pay homeage….. i like to meet up white people like you who likes to know what i like to know, imvelaphi yam!
Go to KZN. oNqele = Manqele and Nxele as far as I can tell. Nxele is the progenitor of the Mthethwa clan that King Shaka built the Zulus from. uGondongwane who led it before uShaka also lived in the Eastern Cape when he was escaping his father, UKhayi, who wanted to kill him. In old Nguni, Nxele = Nsele = Ncele = Cele = Sele or Seleka Ndebele or Sothos. So, I would read up on all this history and pray that God leads me to the correct answer.
AmaQwathi abizwa ngamaNgadi or Kgadi or Hari as in Kalahari (amaNkala = amaNgala and Hari = Ngadi = Qwathi) all over Africa. For instance, the president of Nigeria is called Buhari. AmaNgadi were ruled by amaNguni. Another way of writing Gadi = Kali (as in Zikhali) = Kai = Kei = Nqayi = Ngqayi = Ncai = Ncinga = Giga = Gega = Kwena = Mangena. You will see that the bulk of Zulu people come from this line of people as Ndlanzi/Nhlanzi/Mhlambi/Mathlaping/Mhlaba/Mahlaba/Saba/Siba/Sheba/Shaba/Chava/Xava/Xaba people, then Mthiyane-Mthania (who KZN is named After in elikaMthaniya) and Cele-Ndosi or KZN Dosini people and their close relatives, Ndobe, Qwabe, Makhanya, Mpondo and Mpondomise or Mthembu people – amaPondomise are called Mthembu in KZN. They are also called Mbuduma or Manala or Ngala or Dlomo or Ndlovu or Jobe or Sithole or AmaThole people. This is by far the largest body of people in South Africa = AmaThembu.
Ngqele was buried in the farm called Rodaplat and his elder son was also buried in the same farm His name was Mduzane the sons of Mduzane where 16 His eldest son was tshangane.
it can be noted that Nqele left the wars by himself to the industrial towns of free state. he was followed by his learned son called Ntengwana who practiced as a teacher and a president at old ithiopian church. His brother Mnokwa came but never liked the idea of working for anyone including whites, so he left to the eastern capes Umthatha were he married his second wife. his younger brother Qomemba also followed including Ndabayithethwa who left for johannesburg and was never seen to this date. the anticolonial revolution imposed hardship to the life of Nqele and his sons and grandsons. from the royal house to the farms of the formerly orange free state means misery that no one will like to tell to his children!………………………….
I also want us to meet and pay homeage to our great nation, as you have proposed the place i will also say is a good place to meet for us as im in the free state and when you say eastern cape to me you say home masidibaneni, may ancestors give that a blessing. thanks again to the web designe of this (IMBALI YA MAQWATHI)
Ndingu Mqwathi udikela kanoni;my thinking is that having looking at the policy shift that is not neccessary benefiting those who are in dire need of help mine is that All amaqwathi to come together and start thinking of swelling the ranks of palament and elect our own in leadership position.
Amaqwathi still rule where am from Scala,lower Seplan Irani yabo nguStokwe the king is now Somdaka you can go there to find out more kuthiwa yindlu enkulu leyana andingomqwathi but I know a little nge history yenu since my grandmother is related kwaStokwe emaqwathin(where the royal family lives in Seplan).
Can you please help me trace ooDikela because I have been trying to trace my history and I could only go far as Free State and was told my grandfather died there in some farm in the early 1900.
Dikela = Tshona = Ntshona is a verbal libation of the Magwaza people who make up the Sandile or Mpondo people of the Rharhabe and other groups within the Gazu people of the Sibiya clan. Dikela = Dikane = Madzikane = Dingaan = Dingane. A king was always called by the name of the people he ruled. I would research amaBhaca and then go back to Zululand.
The Ntshona are also the Shona people of Zimbabwe who link up with the Nyanja (you use Njanya – it’s the same thing) of the Malawi people who are actually oTshabalala bonke. UTshabalala = Shaba-Lala or Xaba-Langa or Nxaba-Langa = Msane-Rawa (Lawa or Mlilo or Mlilwana or Langabi or MaGabhi) = Msane-Qwabe. oChagwe, literally, = Chewa or Shewa (Ethiopia)= Celani = Celia = Ceila = Cela = Cele = Khele = Khela = Sokhela = Songosi = Sonkosi = Solosi = Songwane = Shongwane = Shongela = Nsele = Seleka Ndebele = Barolong Ba ga Seleka = Mhlongo people of the Nguni/Zulu.
KwaNguni, iziBongo aziphindwa. So, if it sounds similar, it is the same. We are so closely-related, it is scary!!!
Hi where are you located ? Who was your grandfather? Mina ndi Thandeka Ntloko and I’ve been looking for o Ntloko ba ka mqwathi everywhere please help 069 251 9843
I think it will be vital that we plan and agree to go Engcobo this coming December, for example I’m in Pretoria and to me its worth it to drive there to know my people more. By the look of things we are a big number as grandchildren of uMqwathi and this could be stepping stone in claiming back our unsung Kingdom because our fore fathers left that hanging, in other words we should stop that trend so that it doesn’t pass through to our children while we still have capabilities and abilities to do so. I we all agree on a date that will accomodate almost everyone I’d like those who stays close to Engcobo help us in terms of find out the possibilities of getting the venue there and we can discuss the rest after that.
The substantial information about the history of amaQwathi, the fiercely independent and the anti-colonial nation, could be obtainable from the current Qwathi Chief (Dalasile) at Nkondlo Royal Place, Engcobo.
However, you can logon at: http://eprints.ru.ac.za/1751/ for further detailed information about the existence, the reigns, and the challenges Qwathi tribe triumphed since their creation by Chief Mtshutshumbe ka Mthetho.
Nondzaba is the 5th descendant of Xesibe heirs among twelve. He gave birh to Hlabe – begot Mthetho – begot Mtshutshumbe,
Mtshutshumbe was the 3rd Heir to Nondzaba, his last born. He gave birth to Mndwana – begot Ncobe – begot Nkovane – begot Ntswayibana – begot Dikela – begot Ndlela – begot Stokhwe – begot Fubu – begot Dalasile where the Qwathi chieftainship is currently upheld in Nkondlo, Engcobo.
The amaQwathi are not a Clan but an independent nation founded by Mtshutshumbe who split from the amaXesibe nation (Mt Allif) and settled in Mqanduli area in Thembuland for more than 350 years. They later settled in their present capital of Engcobo during the reign of King Dlomo of abaThembu in 1680.
I hope this information clears the path for those Qwathis who would love to know the history of their ancestors in order for them to move forward.
Mandibulise kwigqadi likaXesibe Amaqwathi ,mna ndingu maqwathi Steve Bantubakhe Nyatela .lo nguntsundu umngxongo ,Mnguti ,Zondwa zintshaba ,sophitsho, Vela bembhentsele ,Ngqolomsila ,Nkonjane emnyama evele emfini, ungubhana kamphose sebeni .Mandithathe elithuba ndihlomla ngembali yaMaqwathi .The Amaqwathi are Xesibe .They originated from Xesibeland in present Mount Ayliff .They are the descendant of Njanya whose father was Sibiside .Sibiside bigot Njanya ,Mkhize and Dlamini .Njanya crossed Uzimvumbu river and gave birth to the following sons Mpondomise and Mpondo ,the twins and their imfusi Xesibe and her Sister who is the mother to Bomvane clan in Mqandulu. Xesibe begot Ntozabantu,Ntozabantu begot Ndzunza ,Ndzunza begot Miyana ,Miyana begot Bimbi from the great house and Nondzaba from Right hand house . Nondzaba as right hand house begot Hlabe from Iqadi .Hlabe begot Mthetho and Mthetho begot Mtshutshumbe .Mtshutshumbe left xesibeland with his ox called Qwathi which was given to him after his initiation school .He moved towards the direction of Gcalekaland but was prevented by wars. He changed his direction to Mzintlava nd moved further to Nomadolo where they were asked their isiduko and they responded by saying Qwathi.They moved to Mgudu and later Tshebengwana valley up to Ndlunkulu and camp on a hill over looking Clarkebury .That hill was named as Noni .On the arrival they sent a messenger to King Mnguti to inform him of their presence .Mguti was a king of Thembus whos son was Mngxongo from right hand house known by his isikhahlelo Mpose sebeni.Qwathi paid busa cattle as a sign of respect to the King .King Mnguti asked his son Mngxongo to stay with Qwathi at Esigubudwini .Its ulike that the Qwathi took the land from the Thembus instead the arrival of Qwathi assistated Thembus to be a most powerful nation.Qwathi though still return they are a separate clan they are Thembus by culture and were assimilated to Thembus.Today Qwathi they use gots to make imbeloko and ukuthomba , ingqithi something Xesibes do not practice.This shows the influence of Thembus within Qwathi clan. I also want to correct a confusion that Qwathi arrived in Thembuland during the reign of Dlomo.in 1928 .This cannot be true because Dlomo is a great great son of Mnguti .Mnguti begot Ntose ,Ntose begot Ntande ,Ntande begot Nxeko ,Nxeko begot HLANGA Dlomo from right hand house and Ndungwane from IQADI . A war over a throne ensued between Dlomo and his brother Hlanga .Hlanga was defeated Dlomo took over till to Dalindyebo . Now this is a line of chieftanship of Qwathi .Mtshutshumbe begot Mndwane and he begot Ncome who begot Nkovane who begot Ntswayibana from the great house and Noni from right house and Mfusi from minor house.Ntswayibana never showed no interest in chieftanship and always sent his brother to preside over cases. He was always at endimeni eyolima .As a result the Qwathi chieftanship shifted to the right hand house .Ntswayibana lost chieftanship to his brother .Today we have a clan within Qwathi known as Amandima as a result of Ntswayibana and a location in Engcobo known as KwaNdima. Noni begot Mtshaba who begot Lutshaba land Lutshaba did not have a male heir .Fubu from the right hand house took over .Fubu begot Dalasile who begot Langa who begot Mlilo who begot Sakhela who begot Mzikayise .Natso ke bakhuthi ngenxa yexesha bendawunaba kakhulu
Kukho incwadi (Thesis) ebhalwe ngu Mlungisi Ndima- A history of the Qwathis from earliest times to 1910. Ifumaneka e Rhodes University. Kuyafuneka umntu ayifunde ukuba ufuna imbali epheleleyo neyenza ukuba AmaQwathi la abe sisizwe esidumileyo. Umbhali ubalisa ngophando awalwenzayo kumanyange aseMaqwathini.
Hi. I’m a Qwathi too and am in PTA. Just discovered this blog. Did you manage the come together at Engcobo? Well, I hope so! 2015 is just around the corner, maybe we can organise a meeting of amaQwathi somewhere her in PTA. Just a thought.
It’s never too late if one wants to meet with his people. NdinguMqwathi nam ndihlala e Pretoria East. Ndingavuyela ukudibana namanye aMaqwathi ahlala kufuphi.
U Tata wayendibalisela ngamadoda amane amaNtondo afika ahlala phaya kuTsembeyi kufutshane neVaalbank.Amagama awo ngala: Frans ka Vazi, Gqiba ka Vazi, Ngxazana, no Ntetha.Inzala ka Frans ifumaneka phaya ku Mateyise, uNgxazana kuTsembeyi.Sithi xa sizithutha: Mlawu, Ntondo ka Noni, Lutshabe, nkonjan’emnyama endand’emafini, into zika Mthetho.Kungenzeka uyinzala yaloo Ntetha kuba ke U Tsembeyi, no Mateyise, ne Vaalbank ziziphaluka nje zendawo enye.Inkosana yomaNtondo yayikhe yafika ivela eNgcobo yathi, banalo uludwe lweentsapho zonke zamaNtondo ezabaleka zaya e Lady Frere ngemfazwe nama Ngesi(Qwathi rebellion).
id like to rectify something as we procced amaqwathi the ideologies of the whites must not take the best of ourself….!Never we should say Chief Stokwe Ka Ndlela, never. He was the KING in all rights. If Amaqwathi is indeed a nation like we are saying then it cant be rulled by a chief, only by a KING whites played us down in the writing of our own history and is about time we are out of that. What im saying is right in all African philosophies.
i am daughter born by the Qwathi son, whose clan names are” Mlawu,Tsilito,vasi,ntondo,Nomelithunxe kwelentaba etc…so now i am confused because on Qwathi history Mlawu died before he got kids, i just want to know, which house do we fall under?
Mna ndi ngu Mncedisi Michael Tau, elesitekitiso ngu (Shotana), imbali ya ba zali yona ithi ba vela e Eastern Cape, beza njalo behlala emaplasini, mna ndi hlala e Mahikeng e North West Province, ikhaya la ba zali bam lise Daweni, ndicela ni funisise ngesibongo sika Tawo, ngoba abazali bathi singa Mqwathi, ooBhlangwe dikela,noni,ntswayibane.
I was born out of marriage, my. Father originally from Engcobo.ifaniyakhe ngu-Qole, ifuna ukwazi ukuba bathini na xabe zithutha ,bephuma kweyiphi indlu, kwezizindlu zamaQwathi? Bathi bangoodikela, oononi, oontswanibana, oonomatyala zithini xa zigqitha?
Thembile Stokwe ise ivunywe phaya Engcobo kudlunkulu le nto yokuba sizii nkosi not Kings kwisizathusokuba safika sacela umhlaba ku kumkani u Dlomo wabaThembu desimane ikhupha ne rent annually to the guy
Lindi, i was referring to our fundamental status before we met the Thembu, Mtshutshumbi founded a nation not a clan for clans existed in it though it was small it was a nation, and if we admit that it was a nation we admit that it should be ruled by a king. i was fed our history by first hand.But thanks for making me think again!
You must remember that even though were have our own nation we belong/are attached to Abathembu Clan which is not our own but we are adopted to abathembu being amampondo as original therefore we can not be the King over abathembu not unless we would have have defeated then in a war to take over the abathembu clan and in that way we would have taken over the Kingship of abathembu there is only one Kink in each clan and there is a clear distinction between a tribe and a clan,we are not a clan but a tribe therefore we can not have a King to be a King you have to be appointed under the clan or you can fight to take over .
Thembile dont confuse people ,there is no Qwathi and they will be never be one ,Amaxesibe popular known as Amqwathi were assimilated to Thembus hence on their arrival they paid a busa cattle to King Mngudi .Mngudi in return sent his righ hand house Chief Mphose sebeni ka Mngxongo to stay with the new clan not a nation.Let me help you in case you cannot diffferentiate between caln and nation ,Clan is homogenius and consist of its own family tree like Amqwathi with its own small houses .A nation is composed of dufferent clans coming together under the rule of one powerful which preside over in terms of Kingship .Amaqwathi never assimilated any clan under its rule and never douted that they under Thembu rule .Qwathis even by customs and heritage are Thembus hence Chief Sakhela even Fubu Lutshaba ,MNTSHABA ,MLILO LANGA all of them wre installed and inuagurated by Thembu King .Imagine within Engcobo there Thembu chief who falls under Dalindyebo house then you have a small clan claimimng to be a kingdom over few vlllages what a joke .Ndlela himself was under the rule of King Ngangelizwe when they went to war withouth king perimission they were fined each some cattle together with Gecelo .The Xhosa land known as Comfimvaba after whites handed it over to Queen Nonesi wife of King Ngubengcuka of Abethembu after Nonesi remain nuetral in a war between sarhili of Amaxhosa .Nonesi hand the land to Gecelo,Sithokwe and Matanzim .This is to show you that Thembus are kings above minor clans such as QWATHI
Ndi ngu Mqhwathi kodwa my surname is Plank. I assume this surname evolved from o Bhlangwe and was imposed by white colonialists. do you agree?? I am from a town called Kroonstad in the Free State. I would like to trace the roots of my generation. My grandfather, George Plank, died in 1954 in Kroonstad. I have no idea where he came from originally but after reading the above, I assume that the Plank generation evolved from the Bhlangwe generation from Engcobo
Molweni. Ingaba ukhona okwazi ukuthutha amaNcoche, ooNdala ? Ngabase Ngcobo elalini yakwaYawa…we are descendants of iNkosi Yawa. And i would like to know if we fall under amaQwathi and ngubani iKumkani yama Qwathi. Please help.
Oyini Mholweni Maqwathi Nitsho kamandi Mma ndazi uba ndingudikela, unoni, nkovane,Unomakhungela, nkonjanimnyama idademafini, Unyokani icakanecandiziziba. My problem is ndavelele agautini ndakhulela khona and I would like to meet amanye AmaQwathi.
Ndicela more information about amaqwathi amabangula odumba bazalwa ngubani now im surprised to hear that sikude kodikela ononi ndingumqwathi umbangula udumba
Halo people could you please help me here I want to know from our clan name Qwathi, ntswebana,dikela,noni…I wana know what the word No I means and where its from..
This is a wonderful debate, that needs to be taken further let us start with the Whatsapp group and work towards a meeting. that can assist us a great deal because I am one of you and told that Dikela is a son and Sdindi is another one. we call ourselves as Dikela, Noni, Yongose, Ntswayibana. My No. 0823676425
Mna ke ndingu Dikela ka Ntwsaybana ka nomatyala ka mndima udlinkowan’angayhlanzi unomakhungela uyongose umthetho ka mncobe iinkomo zka jojo zkamxesibe egqazindlelebheke bunguni unkonjane emnyama ibhabhemafini. UMqwathi ke ukutsho… Ndicela uNoni no Mtshaba bazithuthe n kwa Blangwe akhwele eqongeni
The only way to get to the bottom of this ukuya kwaStokwe emaQrwathini ebukhosini Scala,Lower Seplan am sure xa bekhupha incwadi zembali nizozifumana iimpendulo or kuMthingwevu ,the two families ooStokwe and the other family eku mthingwevu once had a dispute on who is the rightful owner of the throne, I believe the Stokwe family won because they still rule they might have the answers.
UTau, mfo, is Ndau = Mudau = Ndawo = Ndawu = BaTau = Mbatha/Mbathane = Mpanda = Mpande = ruling clan of the Zulus. Also, called Side or Tshidi (kubeXhosa who moved to North West, who had come from Zululand as Mthethwa/Xesibe and Qwabe/Nqetho/Kai/Gadi/Qwathi Zulus), Nsinde – this is the Zulu Royal House of King Dinizulu, great grandfather of current Zulu King, where my Mom grew up. The Zulu King comes from Solomon waseBeHlave or Bersabee or Beersheba or BeShaba or BeXava. ABeShaba bahlukene kabili, UJoel or Hawes = AmaNgwe = Ngcobo (Ngcobo is a big tribe amongst the Zulu Thembu which is the senior house of the Thembu, eQhudeni). The other house is Biya or Abia or Wabane or Habana. Both are heavily intermarried with each other and regarded as one. Their father is a Hlubi, called Samuel.
AmaNdawo amaningi anqwamana kuSoshangane wamaNdwandwe and inqwamano yamaXhosa or yamaGosa was the best place to find them as all African Nations are ruled by AmaNdawo. You see, uNdawo or Tau ngesintu is also = Tungwa or Tunga or Ndonga or Tonga = Dungwa or Dlungwa or Tlokwa or Dlongwa. That is why you will find Tlokwa kingdoms in deep KZN. I had a Tlokwa friend from the Royal family, quite high up, who told me that they are Zulus and they came from Harrismith and surrounding Hlubi areas of KwaZulu-Natal. Ndonga = Zwane (according to oMkhwanazi baseKZN). (UZwane wakwa Sibiya also is the mother tribe to Bhungane = Phungane, a progenitor of the Zulu) = Ndonga = Ndao = Yao = Ndyao = Nyawo = Nyawu = Lau = Lawu = Lawi = Lali = Layi = Malawi = Hawu = Hewu = Njeru = Jeru (as in Jerusalem) = Jehu – this is the same tribe and King Shaka’s name = Mlilwana. OMotaung babuye babizwe ngoMndaweni ngesiNguni (my Aunt works for a doctor who is Mndaweni and he speaks fluent Sotho and is from rural KZN eMondlo, Nquthu area) eKZN. There are lots of Suthus there like oMarawa (where Robert Marawa is from), Motloung = Mndlovu, Moloi = Baloi = Phalo = Phunga, Molefe (Imfe = Intswe = Imbe = uMpedi) = Msani = Bosia Sotho = Bosani = Posa/Poswa. AmaRawa or AmaLawu oQwabe, oLangeni lapho kuphuma khona isibongo esithi ZULU. Siphuma kuBeSuthu ababizwa ngoQwabe no Dube or Lovedu or Lobengula (a son of Mzilikazi).
Here is the difficulty on tracing which Ndau you are: there are 19 Ndau tribes spread all over the world. People forget the Zulu people living in Asia, Middle East and Americas – more than 300m in America alone, probably more in China and South Pacific and Phillipines and India. They came from Zulus in Sub Saharan Africa. They are named as follows, I will put their ancient names and Zulu/Nguni names next to it:
1. Amnon = AmaNoni – ancestor killed by Abishalom (Mabasa-Dlomu or Basa-Oromo) for raping his sister Thamar and wanting to marry her by force instead of asking for her in marriage properly from father Ndawonde/Dawuduna.
2. Daniel = Mthiyane or Mthania or Diale = AmaNdiya (these are black people and not the ones we call indian nowadays- the original indians were black.) Daniel also means Mntanenkosi. Ndwane-Nkosi or Nzwane-Nkosi.
3. Absalom – led a rebellion against father Ndawonde or Dawude or Dawuduna (Mgwaba or Mbhense or Gumbi or Mphezeni or Jele or Joel or Je or Tshe or Che or Mungwe)
Born to Bersabee or Besabi or BeHlambi or BeHlamve or BeDlambe (or BeDlamfe – name of a High School in my location, eSikhawini in deep Mthethwa or Zululand territory) or BeHlabe or BeSheba or Mpisiba or BaShaba – there were 2 Shaba people then Mungwe and Biya – amaNzamela or Jamela or Jaman or Jama or Samuel or Sambo-Nkosi or Sapo-Nkosi – again Mntanenkosi – they come from Biyela, Neri or Nkosi or Ngozi or Neli or Mweli or Mwosi or Musi:
4. Simaa – Sima or Simba or Ximba = Mandla or Matla or Matlala or Madlala (Or MaHALAla or AmHara – Ethiopia) or Mpangalala or Bakgatla or BakaDla – these are Tswanas and Sothos and South Coast to Xhosaland Zulus.
5. Sobab = Sobaba – emaZungeni also, = Jobab = Zungu clan that falls within the Nkosi clan – amaBhabha eMafini or Ifafa (South Coast KZN) or Isasa or amaSwati or Ashanti people of Africa = AmaHlahla = Mabaso or Mabasa or VhaHlengwe or Hlengwa or BaTau or BaTungwa bePhahla or S’phahla Phahla. Bazala UMhlanga or AmaNdebele oMhlanga onke. Or UShaka dynasty, where Shaka = Mhlanga.
6. Nathan – this is the tribe that Natal is named after. It is epitomized by the place where the Ngcobo people stay in Durban called Nanda or eNanda or KwaNanda. It is also written as Mbathane, especially amongst the Pedi Pai people of Botswana, North West, Mpumalanga and Limpompo and the Free State Suthus. It is also rendered Nathia or Nathela or Mathia or Mathania – this is the tribe that mixed with the Jama or Jamela to make the Senzangakhona that bore the Shaka, Mhlangana, Dingaan, Mpande tribes of the Zulus. They fall under Dosini and Ndosi or Ceila or Cele or Celani or Cerethi clan of the Zulus.
7. Solomon – this is the clan of the ruling Zulu Kings. I come from Dinizulu who bore Solomon. The Kings of Ethiopia under the Abyssinian Kings came from this line. Abyssinia = Mbense-Ngwe = Mpisi-Ngwane = MgwabaNani (KwabaNani) = Mpande = Biyela or Mambo-Nkosi-Ngwe clan of the Nguni. Mpande is the ruling clan of the Zulus who came from King Solomon or Phumuzuzulu or Maphumuzana ozalwa uBersheba or Behlamba or Bethlapha or Bethrapha or baThlaping or Bahlambi or Nhlambi or NHlave or Dlamfe or Hlambe or Dlambe people. Look up who gave birth to King Solomon of the Zulus. UZulu uphuma kwaNtombela or Tobia. UTobia washada noSarai or Swazi bathola izizwana lesi esizibiza ngoZulu. Phezulu naphambili sibale oMazibuko.
8. Saphatias = Shabathi or Nhlabathi – eMahlabathini, ngasoLundi ila kuphuma khona abakwaMagwaza and uZulu lo ozala my line of peeps. eBantwaneni beNkosi uDinizulu ila kuphuma khona lemizi. UNhlabathi UMlabo owelwa zinkonjane zeZulu kuphela. eZimbabwe babizwa ngamaZezuru – la kuzalwa khona uMugabe. KubeXhosa babizwa ngamaRharhabe, la kuphethe khona udadewabo weNkosi uZwelithini. UMuzi wakwaZwane ngoDinizulu – abantwana ngoDinizulu uqobo lwakhe noba ashonela eMpumalanga Province, engalubhadanga eKZN. Walushiya uzalo lwakhe khona lapho yakhula iMpumalanga yagwala amaNgwe. Umama wakhe kwakungu-Abital or Maphitha or Maphaita lo ozala amaThole or oSithole or Mondise/Modise then uJobe ozala amaThole or amaTheku or amaNdeku.
9. Adonias or Adonani or Adongwe or Tlokwe or Hlongwe or Hlongo (like the Herero in Namibia). Barolong Sothos Bonke abantu bakwaMhlongo abazalwa amaBhemba or amaPhemba ayephathwa oMthimkhulu or Chithimukulu as they say in Zambia. Bazalwa oSabela basemaGadini or Qwathini ababizwa ngoAggith or Haggith or Hagwithi = Bankwinti = Bangidi = BaGwili = Bagwi = Biya = Bangethe = Bangele = Bangwe = Hangwe = VaNambya (Zimbabwe) = Mbonambi (KZN) = Mnambithi (Hlubingwe of North-western KZN close to Free State).
The next 9 were born in Jerusalem (pronounced Lawushalem or LawuZelemu in medieval Hebrew which is similar to true Nguni ayilento esikhuluma manje – King Zwelithini has a son called Njeru = Lawu = Lawa = Mlilo = Lala = Langa):
11. Jebaar = Jemba = Jemai = Jiba = Ziba = Tiba = Tuba (as in Mtubatuba, the place of abaYeni or aBengani = AbeNgwane in KwaMthethwa, KwaZulu). The Kituba people live in Kikongo, Angola and DRC, where some people who live in South Africa used to rule)
12. Elisama – Ismael whose people killed Godolias or Godongwane were from this clan – Eli = Kosi/Nkosi or Osi or Hosi. Can also be written as Samael = Samankosi = Samolasi = Sambolasi = SaMbulazi
13. Eliphaleth = Phaletheli = Phaletkosi = Mbalenkosi or Nkosi-Mbale. The Mbale people are progenitors of the Zulu people. Bagcwele eBusuthu. oMaphale or Mbali = OMoloi and oMoloi = Phalo wamaGcaleka thina esimubiza ngoPhunga or Bhunga or Buka. The word Kimberley and Kimbali or iMbali means the same thing. That is why in Kimbali you will find Zulu people who speak Setswana but who last lived in Eastern Cape, Xhosaland.
14. Noge – anyone remember Dosto Noge or the Nogemane of the Mpondo people. Nogemane unguMntungwa ngokwakhe – inkosi ngokuzalwa, uMntungwa uZwane or UMntwana uqobo lwakhe. UNoge uyafana noNeo (Sipho or Mpho) or Nelo or Ngelo or Kelo = Kone = Ngone.
15. Nepheg = Mbeki = Mbile = Nyembe = Nlephe = Lembe
16. Japhia = Japhan/Japan = Jabia = Jabani = Jigaba = Gigaba = Jagabi = Langabi = Mgabhi (eNgcobo uMgabhi uyabalwa)
17. Elisama again
18. Eliada = Nkosiyada = Nkosi-Nyanda.
19. Elipheleth = Nkosi-Phelethi = Nkosi-Bhele.
LamaKhosi abusa eJerusalema, UDawude/Ndawonde, that is how David is spelt in medieval Hebrew, esebusa eSilo, esigodlweni sakhe esikhulu, inqaba eyangemelwe amaLali or amaLawi ngaphandle in the rurals, kube inqaba or fort from which you could see on all sides and then his personal army. These are the 18 sons of King David of the Zulus or Heberew or Hembele.
Absalom was born to Maacha, daughter of Tolmai, King of Gessur. He was half Amorite and half Hebrew, I think. Simubiza ngoMdolomba (or Drogba) or Cebekhulu, lo ozala oMkhwanazi or Vanwa’Nathi or Gcaleka. Maacha = Mwacha or Malacha = Malanga = Malala = Manganga = Mangala = Ngala = Dlomu = Ndlovu = Domo = Somo = Hlomu = Hlomvu = Oromo.
Please excuse the error above, only Solomon, Simaa, Sobab and Nathan came from Besarbee.
I need to know my roots of my clan Amaqwathi Dikela where we come from as Xesibe people or can print and publish books to keep our clan for our grandchildren’s keep in library or arts and culture
Kubonakele ukuba liyaphumelela iyelenqana labeLungu lobungcali bokuqhusheka umQwathi phantsi kwababezifake ngokwabo ephikweni
lomQwathi. Ndiva uSteve Nyathela esithi, “Chief Sakhela even Fubu Lutshaba ,MNTSHABA ,MLILO LANGA all of them wre installed and
inuagurated by Thembu King”, abe engenakuba nabungqina ngoFubu nangoLutshabe nangoNtshaba, ‘installed and inuagurated by Thembu
King’. Kulembali kaSteve eyile, “Thembile dont confuse people ,there is no Qwathi and they will be never be one ,Amaxesibe popular known as Amqwathi were assimilated to Thembus hence on their arrival they paid a busa cattle to King Mngudi .Mngudi in return sent his righ hand house Chief Mphose sebeni ka Mngxongo to stay with the new clan not a nation.Let me help you in case you cannot diffferentiate between caln and nation ,Clan is homogenius and consist of its own family tree like Amqwathi with its own small houses .A nation is composed of dufferent clans coming together under the rule of one powerful which preside over in terms of Kingship .Amaqwathi never assimilated any clan under its rule and never douted that they under Thembu rule .Qwathis even by customs and heritage are Thembus hence Chief Sakhela even Fubu Lutshaba ,MNTSHABA ,MLILO LANGA all of them wre installed and inuagurated by Thembu King .Imagine within Engcobo there Thembu chief who falls under Dalindyebo house then you have a small clan claimimng to be a kingdom over few vlllages what a joke .Ndlela himself was under the rule of King Ngangelizwe when they went to war withouth king perimission they were fined each some cattle together with Gecelo .The Xhosa land known as Comfimvaba after whites handed it over to Queen Nonesi wife of King Ngubengcuka of Abethembu after Nonesi remain nuetral in a war between sarhili of Amaxhosa .Nonesi hand the land to Gecelo,Sithokwe and Matanzim .This is to show you that Thembus are kings above minor clans such as QWATHI”
kutyholwa amaQwathi ngobuHomogeneous ekubeni ibutho or um-butho okwizinga lokuphuma usiyokulwela izinto ezixake izizwe ngezizwe, ungasoze ube nzala-nye(homogeneous). Le yelalana ezim-balwa zamaQwathi aphEngcobo yinyaniso, isuka kwakulento yokuthotywa kwawo. Kwaatyalwa abangemaQwathi baze banikwa nobukhosi kwiindawo zamaQwathi ukuze kubenje. Kwaye abaThembu babenikwe uMthatha suke beza eRhoda bebaleka amaZulu namaBhaca bezimela ngomQwathi
Ndiyayithanda lembali yomntakwethu uSteve Nyathela neyamanye amaAfrika akowethu indinika ithuba lokuphethula ngabula-belusi, ukuphokoza nokuphaka. LindileM says: “Thembile Stokwe ise ivunywe phaya Engcobo kudlunkulu le nto yokuba sizii nkosi not Kings kwisizathusokuba safika sacela umhlaba ku kumkani u Dlomo wabaThembu desimane ikhupha ne rent annually to the guy” Thembile Stokwe says: “Lindi, i was referring to our fundamental status before we met the Thembu, Mtshutshumbi founded a nation not a clan for clans existed in it though it was small it was a nation, and if we admit that it was a nation we admit that it should be ruled by a king. i was fed our history by first hand.But thanks for making me think again!”
Blangwe Mphambaniso says: “You must remember that even though were have our own nation we belong/are attached to Abathembu Clan which is not our own but we are adopted to abathembu being amampondo as original therefore we can not be the King over abathembu not unless we would have have defeated then in a war to take over the abathembu clan and in that way we would have taken over the Kingship of abathembu there is only one Kink in each clan and there is a clear distinction between a tribe and a clan,we are not a clan but a tribe therefore we can not have a King to be a King you have to be appointed under the clan or you can fight to take over. Kunjalo ke Mqwathi!”.
Vuyo Mfula says:
January 27, 2016 at 5:59 am
Kukho incwadi (Thesis) ebhalwe ngu Mlungisi Ndima- A history of the Qwathis from earliest times to 1910. Ifumaneka e Rhodes University. Kuyafuneka umntu ayifunde ukuba ufuna imbali epheleleyo neyenza ukuba AmaQwathi la abe sisizwe esidumileyo. Umbhali ubalisa ngophando awalwenzayo kumanyange aseMaqwathini.
Imbali yamaXhosa
I also want to know who is the eldest in our clan Amaqwathi followed by whom to the youngest please!
uDikela, uNoni , uNtswayibana……………………..
Where can I meet a group of Amaqwati in Cape Town
sdindi,nomatyala
Ndicela ubuza kungaba ukhona umntu owaziyo amabhulangwe asecala
Amaqwathi zinkosi
sdindi no dikela
In Zululand, AmaQwathi, are called Mthethwa who are Bafokeng Sothos – part of their praise names are Muthwa, Nyambose, Ntshakala (Shakala or Shaka) and Mofokeng. They are also the core of what King Shaka built the Zulus from, along with the Qwabe. Dingiswayo/Godongwane who led the Mthethwa people and was killed by Zwide. The people who call themselves Xhosa come from a structure called AmaGosa or AmaKhoza or AmaKxhosa (ngesiNdebele) or AmaXhosa which is the old Elder’s council of the combined Nguni Nation. That was the word Xhosa means = elder and seer of God.
Fikeni = Bafikeng = Mfingo = Mfengu = Mbengo (Biyela/Biyane people, or actually a combination of Myeza and Biyela people – the Biyela are the Zulu clan (from the Royal Zulu family who ran a Sabela city or a city of Refuge where you could go if you had killed someone accidentally and uSabele khona) that bore the Mkhize clan). The Eastern Cape people are split into 2 groups: namely, the Nkomo or Fula = Faku (thus the word Khafula, which is what we called ourselves) people and the Hlahla or Mabasa or Mabaso people of the Ntungwa or Sibiya clan.
There are more than 100m Fula people in Africa in Ithiopia (where we come from), West and Central Africa and they are cattle herders = Khoi or Nkomo or Khomo people of the Sibiya people and in South Africa where a lot call themselves Mvulane or Mvula or Pula (like Lesotho and Batswana) and Fula and Faku. Fula also = Buya = Bula = Biya = Bila = Vila = Viya = Vela = Fela = Pela = Piya = Bela (as in Ntombela = Tobia = Topia = Ithiopia). This is why Africa was called IthiyoPIA or IthiyoBIA = Umhlaba wo Biya. it is also why there are 5 countries with BIA in their name: GamBIA, ZamBIA, EthioPIA, LiBYA and ColomBIA – majority people of Southern African descent – there are over 200m blacks in South America – the same place where both King Cetshwayo and King Dinizulu were kept in prison). Also called the Xaba or Shaba or Saba or Sheba or Shiba (oMkhwanazi or Vanwa’Nathi or Monganathi/Maonathi or Makua-Nyathi or Makua-Nyai) or Siba or Sibi people. The Side or Lukhulu come from Nsinde (a Zulu house that I come directly from which was King Dinizulu’s house, otherwise known as Mgwaba or Jamela or Nzamela or Jamane or Jama or Sibande or Sibanda or Mathe/Ncanana house of the Zulu). My Mom grew up here and it is the house of Kings and thus is technically a Zwane house as uZwane is the house of abaNtwana or former kings. Lukhulu means Mthiyane or Mthania people – the Sibiya clan that mated with the Jama clan to produce the Senzangakhona clan. They are called Sokhulu and like the Ndlanzi come from the Dosini or Cele people of Southern Africa, now, headquartered in South Coast but originally like most of the Eastern Cape, were the occupants of Durban or Dubane or Dubela = Ndobe-Rwa or Dube-Qwabe or Dube-Lawa or Dube Lawi people.
There are 3 dynasties of Zulu living in Eastern Cape, namely, King Shaka’s or Ishaka or Sanga or Dlanga or Mhlanga (Ndebele = Nzuza or Zizi or Gegana = Dosini, Nsele or Cele or in Zwane terms Cengesi-Ntshosho/Zotsho). Then you have Dingane or Madzikane or Dikela (eluBhaceni and surrounding clans) – this is the same word. In Nguni or Bantu languages these words are the same word: Nyai and Nyika. If you do to Dikela what you do to Nyika to turn it into Nyai, then you will see that you get Madzikane or Dikane or Dingane, basically Kela = Kane/Kani or Ngwane or Ngani. If you lived in Mpumalanga or KZN, you would know that Kela or Sokhela is the surname and praise name for uMgwezane or Mkheshane or Khetse people called AmamNdzudza or in Zulu Nzuza or Zizi or Zizwane (which is how they are Zwane people called Amangwe, Dolomba/Cebekhulu and Ndiweni (Kheswa)). The last dynasty is called Mpande. Mpande is also called Phathe or Pate or Pale or Phale or Phalet or Mbali (meaning, literally, flower as in Kimbali or Kimberley) or Mpanda, Banda or Sibanda or Mgwaba or Gaba or Bhayi (Port Elizabeth and surrounds – all those people are Zulu) or Mbai or Pai (kuBeSuthu – makuthiwa sivela kubeSuthu, they are talking about Pedis who are the same as Tswanas or Bomvana or Mpofana – that is what Tswanas are oBomvana). Even the Gcaleka’s are Zulu. They are Mkhwanazi. I live in a Mkhwanazi Township called eSikhawini in the heart of Zululand and I can confirm to you, it is mini-Xhosaland here when you start comparing the name places and the surnames etc. There is another eSikawini in Cele-Bhaca-Mpondo land in lower KZN and the name places repeat themselves about 3 or 4 times in EC and KZN. See, eSikhawini is sandwiched between Qwabe and KwaMthethwa (eMpangeni to St Lucia – also Mthiyane or Cele territory). So, to really understand who we are, we have to drop the language classifications because they are deceiving. Let us look at each other as Nguni only and take it from there and Nguni includes Sotho as Sothos libate themselves with Matebele. So, to find out who you are, you have to answer the question: “Where do I fit in, in the Nguni classification of Southern African people?”
AmaXesibe, make up the Mthethwa clan and included in them are Ndlela kaSompisi – King Shaka and King Dingaan’s trusted head of Army. He was killed by Dingaan and his people fled to Eastern Cape. There they became the Xhosa nation. Ndlela, Ntuli (AmaBhele (Shaka-Dingane) is the single largest group of Zulus in the Province, followed closely by amaZizi/Dlamini (Shaka).
Abantu basemakhaya or ezilalini – which by the way literally means the same tribe i.e. Makhaya tribe = Melali or Malawi (Malawu) or Malinga or Meru or Mbedu or Mbedwini = Qwabe-Nqetho = Makhanya = Mahaye= Makhaye = Magaye = Ngai = Gai = Khai (where the words TransKEI and CisKEI come from) = Gumbi = Nkupi = Ngobe = Kobi = Kobo = Ngcobo (there are a lot of Ngcobo people in KZN, especially in Durban where most Eastern Cape Zulu-Xhosas are from – also, Mfusi = Mfuze = Afuze (Nigeria)) = Sbiya house – the Ngcobo even say: Sibiya ngeziNKOMO (Mphankomo, Jolinkomo, Majola – AmaWushe or AmaWuse or Emmaus or Hausa (Nigeria) or Aussa (Ethiopia) people – along with their partner tribe called Fulani or Mvulane or Faku or Fakude or Fulatha or Ephrata
or Fakathi or Fakazi or Fokoti or Phakathi or BaKhathi or Makhathi(ni) or Bakatse or BaGazi or BaGuzi or BaGazu or BaGau or BaGcau – read old pre-colonial maps – Eastern Capers were called Khafula or Kaffrarians (=Khafula-Lia/Lela/Lwane/Dela = Gafudana = Zwane/Zingelwane or Zingelwayo clan) along with the Sothos), abafokazana (Bafokeng/MaFikeni) beBIYA ngamaHlahla (VhaHlengwe or Hleke or Mabasa or Mabaso or amaHalaHala or maDladla or MaNyanja or Njanya). . This is the Cele or Ndosi or Dosini people of the Hala-Thembu or Mhlazana as they are called within the Zingelwayo or Zela or Zwane or Zeroua (Namibia) or Zweni or Ntweni or Ndiweni people of Sibiya clan. The other part is Zembethe or Zebediela or Zethembe which includes Gazu/Gau/Gcau/Sau which bore the Mpangalala or Mpingangala or Bakgatla as they are called amongst the Sothos who then bore the Sotobe or BeSoto. Sotobe was a keen warrior of King Shaka and the Zulu and was taken to see the Queen with King Cetshwayo but came back much later with a white boy. (Still no-one can explain beside slave raids how so many Zulus ended up in South America) Needless to say, the rest is history and now we have the whole country of Zulu people who will deny their heritage vehemently. This only started after 1994 because of dirty ANC politics. In KZN today, the people who understand Xhosa best live eMakhaya because Xhosa is old-school Zulu like how Zimbabwean Ndebele is old-school Zulu. Even Sotho words can sometimes be gleaned directly from old Zulu because we used to speak all languages until apartheid said we should speak just one.
One last thing, Khoza = Kxhosa = Xhosa = Gosa = Ela. That is why the Northern KZN surname of the Nkosi clan called Maoela who maintain that they are Sothos (I think it is safe to maintain that all Zulus are Suthus and that all Suthus are Zulus). If I had a dollar for every Zulu nation that comes from Suthus…), Maoela = Maonkosi = Monga-Nkosi = Makua-Nkosi = Manunkosi = Manukuza = Shangaan. Need, I remind you that Soshangane was king of the Gaza or Gwaza (of which Rharhabe’s are a part, as the nation that is supposed to be ruling the lower Eastern Cape people). Eli = Inge = Ingwe = Nkosi = Nkwe (kuBeTswana and Sotho) = Mweli = first born in the Ndaba clan – the Dube-Lovedu-Lobengula-Ndobe superclan of Africa comes from Ndaba or Apollo (in Ghana the Dumisa people of the Akhan = Angwani or Hangwani or baNgwane or Halani or Harani or Hlane or Sane or Mdlani or Darani or Drani or Drake or Drakens or Dlange or Ndlela or Sela (or Sele or Nsele) or Hlela or Sheya or Seya or Siya or Bosia or Bosani or Posani etc.) or Mpolo or Mbolo or Mpondo or Mbuthu or Mbotho or MPhotho or MPhuthu or MPutu – the Zwane khanda in KZN is called Mbolobeni. (An Aside, Drakensbek = Dlangesbheke = Dlange-Bhele = Ndlela-Bhele and that is why kugcwele oNdlela around Drakensberg and Lesotho.
The Gcaleka’s are Zulu Kings from the Qwabe clan. They ranked higher than the lower Eastern Cape King and so they took it when they moved there as a lower ranking king cannot rule over a higher ranking one. I still think uGcaleka is supposed to lead the Mozambican Zulus called abaNdawu. What happened to King Soshangane’s dynasty in any case? These include the Zimbabweans.
If you want to see who we are, then we have to start looking at Nguni clans and not Zulu clans because oMkhwanazi baseMpangeni abehlukile from oMkhwanazi base Eastern Cape or Cape Town. People don’t know that the townships Nyanga and Langa, in Cape Town, were settled by Zulu people. So was Macassar (Indonesia) and Manenburg (Indonesia-Phillipines) but some of these were resettled from Asia like the Wushe- the Wushe were in Taiwan – just google Wushe + Taiwan and look for pictures and look at your cousin and look at the date of the pictures. (Isigodlo saseNdulo samaWushe sikwaNongoma nasoLundi, by the way and they protect the Zulu King) It is all Zulu people. Zulu people had all kinds of features, straight hair, curly hair, short nose, long nose, big nose, blond hair, blue eyes – look up Melanesian people of Pacific etc. but divide and rule killed this nation. And it is the BeSotho or Sotobe Zulus that bared the brunt.
Sorry, the last country with BIA in its name is NamiBIA. You can google how they got that name. It came from their clans that they have there. The Naham = Jama = Nama = Nyama = meat = Mbo/Nyamazane = black = Ngama = Gama = Jamela or Nzamela or Damane or Thamaga or Daman or Gqunukwen or Gqunukhwebe who libate themselves with Zulu and are actually Shangaan people who are Zulu in origin from the Ndwandwe or Nxumalo or Axum clan. The BIA is Sibiya or Bani or Fani or Vani or Fangi or Fangu or Bangu = Bango = Bhengu = Fengu = Feku = Faku = Fula = Fike = Feli people.
Also, Kela = Kkhosa = Kxhosa = Xhosa = Gosa = Elder or seer of God or wise people or Magi or Machi or Miya or Biya (plural of Miya). If you know that Nyai/Nyali = Nyika, then you can change Kela = Kane = Kwane = Ngwane. oSokhela (Sokwane or Songwane = Songani = Songoni = Mhlongoni = Mhlongo = Shangani = Sangani = Mhlangani (one of the brothers who together with Mkabayi = Mgwaba or Ncaphayi or Valoi or Moloi or Gwambe, Dingane = Bhaca and Mbopha kaSithayi = Rharhabe killed King Shaka’s dynasty that they were a part of) = Nqwamana = Ngamela = Ngamane = Nkamane) used to be central council of elders from all the Nguni nations who sat together to consider and rule on things that affected the Nguni nation.
King Shaka was a Zulu King of Mpondo origins, maternally. That is why wayebizwa ngoMlilwana or Ilwana or the Pokomo or Mphankomo people.
Mtshutshumbe is the founder of the qwathi nation
Ndifuna umntu onokuthutha amaqwathi amabhulangwe
OoBhlangwe, ngooDikela, ooNoni, ooNtswayibane, ooMnyamana, ooNomatyala, ooMalawana, ooNyembezana
Hayi Zintle nto yakuthi, ooBlangwe ayingabo ooDikela, ooNoni, ooNomatyala, ooMndima, Ntswayibane…….kaloku uBlangwe akabuyi kundlunkulu, amakundlunkulu ngooDikela, ngoko ke uBlangwe ngumninawa ka Dikela
Molweni yabulisa mablangwe akacelinto ndiyintombi yomxhosa elahlekileyo ndingathanda kwazi ngoblangwe omtshikitsha omnyamana andisazi kakuhle siduko sam umntu onolwazi makancede
Molweni, ndikulandlu kaBlangwe mna. unyanisile uZintle asingabo ooDikela ooNoni. Xandiziththa mna ndiye ndizibize ngoba ndingumamQwathi, uBlangwe, uNtswayibane umNyamana, uFola inkonjane emnyama ebhabha emafini.
ixolo bendiba ndithi Thandanani nduvumelana nawe
Molo MaBhlangwe, Mna ndingu Lungelo Ndleleni
OoBhlangwe ngoo Nqarhi,Mnyama, Ntswayibana, Mbutho, Njimbana,Sdind,
Noni, uNdzila ka Ndzothwana- Yinto inye ke Bona no Ndzolo, Ntondo, Bangula, Dikela,AmaVumbe,OoKhebesi,Mvala,Dabisa,Sximba,Cekeni,ImiNcayi,,OoKhombayo,OoBhabha,OoDumba Bonke ke abo NgaMaQwathi Basika eMaXesibeni EMt.Ayliff bekhokelwa NguMtshutshumbe to Mthatha Mouth,apho bafunyanwa yinkosi YaBaThembu waza wabanika umhlaba eNgcobo apho baye baqhama khona baze bahamba abanye baya eLesotho abanye baya eMatatiele
Nooo oo Blangwe , Fola ooMnyamana , Mncayi, Mbini … Tshikitsha
ONtswayibana, nomatyala – tyala, Sdindi, Noni, ngoDikela abazalani no Blangwe
OO BLWANGWE AYINGABO OO DIKELA KWAYE BAKUDE LE EKUBENI BABENGABO
OBhlangwe abangabo ooDikela , oobhlangwe ngooFola ngooMnyamana, NgoMbini ngooMncayi
Ndifuna umntu onokuzithutha koo blangwe.
Klk Sakhiwo singoBlangwe,Mnyamana,Mnzolo,Gwalashe,Nqarhi,Fola,Ntsumbu,Bhekizulu
Bhulangwe mnyamana mnqarhi mnzolo fola gwalashe bhekizulu ntunde mtshikitsha
Guys ubhulangwe ngumninawe kaDikela lona unguNoni waziphumela isizwe sakhe kuba inkosi yamaQwathi yamyalela ukuba aze nefele lengwe yena wazanayo iphila eyibhule ngengubo wavela kanjalo ubhulangwe yasisizwe esiximeleyo
OoBhlwangwe ,Nqarhi,Nzalo ,Nzila, kwanzothwana vangevumba ,amBlwangwe amnyama nekoomomo zawo ntswayibana noni
Xaxeka Zilindile ahh!! MOYA
Ndicela nje ukwazi ukuba eligama Lithi Qwathi (amaQwathi) Lalisuka phi – Enkosi – Mholweni
is from mtshutshumbi the founder of the qwathi people and qwathi was the name of his white ox the he was given after circumcion.
is from mtshutshumbi the founder of the qwathi people and qwathi was the name of his white ox he was given after circumcion.
is from mtshutshumbi the founder of the qwathi people and qwathi was the name of his white ox he was given after circumcision.
lisuka kwinkomo yamaxesibe ey
ayiye ka mtshutshumbe unyana wama xesibe
Livakala ulibiza nje ukuba kukuTHI QWA.
UMtshutshumba owayelelinye lamagorha asemaXesibeni, unyanzelise ukuphuma esazi ukuba ivaliwe ngamaXesibe into yokuphuma kwebutho ngenxa yokuba alibuyi kwangethuba. Ukumane ephuma kuba ingamagorha kwakuwushiya ushokoxekile umhlambi emva ekhaya.
Xa sebemncamile, baye bamnika izipho zendlela ekuthiwa yimisoko. Phakathi kwayo kwakukho inkomo asokwe ngayo nguyise oyinkosi yamaXesibe.
Kwacatyelwa kulenkomo lomyalezo wokuba kufuneka beTHE QWA, benze nrzozizwe zisemachukwini baya kuzo ziTHI QWA.
Molweni booDikela. Uyabulisa uMaMthi akacelinto
Eligama lamaQwathi lisuka kuMtshutshumbe, Mtshutshumbe lowo wayengowasemaXesibeni. Wath ukuphuma kwakhe kooXesibe wayokuzimela wakha isizwe sakhe samaQwathi eMqanduli baza bayokuma isigxina eNgcobo ngexesha lika Nkosi uDlomo. Esi sizwe sine zisub clans ezininzi ezifana nezi: amaDikela, amaTshaba, ooSdindi, ooBhlangwe, ooBhose, amaNzolo, imiNcayi, amaNtondo, amaKhombayo, ooMkhondweni, amaVumbe, ooKhebesi, amaBangula, amaDumba, ooMhotho, ooCakeni, ooBhabha, amaMvala, amaDabisa, ooS’ximba. Xa bezithutha abantu bakulomama bathi….. Mqwathi,dikela,noni,ntswayibane,sdindi,dumba kabangule,onkovane,inkonjane ezimnyama ezibhabhela emafini,onomatyala,ononxa asikhathali,omadlinkowane angayihlanzi. Endibaziyo ngokulandelelana kwabo naba Mtshutshumbe-> Mndwana-> Ncobe-> Nkovane-> Ntswayibana-> Dikela.
Enkosi sisi, emva koDikela, kuza oobani?
Molweni ndingayifumana njani le mbali egcweleyo
Nkokheli u Dumba loo uzalwa nguban eMaqwathini
u dumba ka nobangula akangeni koo dikela / u dumba ngu cwane
Ewe udumba akangeni tuu Ku dikela…udumba,mabangula,ncwane,neyi
Thank so much you have explained it so well, I’ve been searching i now found what I’ve been looking for.
Mholo maMthi.
Heke watsho kakuhle. Khawugalele futhi sisi wam, mtshan’ am. Kuvakala zintle iinkumbulo zalowo mntu ubuza kuye kwanezakho. Uba unencwadi khondenzele inceba, ndiyilambele lonto iyiquletheyo. Ingasuki yona-ncwadi kuwe kuba iincwadi ziyaduka. Mna ndifuna olomngcwa lukuyo njengoba lunjalo.
Xa ndihluza koluludwe (list) uze nalo kakuhle apha, uxolo uba iyakukukhathaza lonto:
1. andimboni uGcaleka (ooStokhwe kaNdlela, mhlawumbi noHinana nabanye), isenoba babizwe ngalamagama ndingaqhelananga nawo akhoyo wona apha.
2. Xa sewuthe Blangwe, ndicing’ uba uNZolo lona umfakela indawo yooNzila-kaNzothwane ukuba awusabafakanga.
3. YimiDaca uBhose noDabisa kodwa andinakuthi uphinda-phindile kuba kungenzeka izizintlu ngezintlu lemiDaca yakuthi. NjengomBangula wande kakhulu wanguDumba nomCwane.
4. UBhabha lo ndiyazoyikisela ngaye kuba ndisazi amaMpondomise akwaNgxabane engooBhabha nomhlehlo. Ayithi ke lonto akanakubakho uBhabha kumaQwathi. Njengoba amaSdindi enendawana ethi, “inkonjane emnyama indanda emafini” de kuthiwe ebhabha emafini, ngokutyibilika kwamalwimi ababantu xa bezithutha, beselunqulweni njengoko seutshilo wathi, “ezibhabhela”.
5. Kuba wena ungowakwaMthi, (?Mthimkhulu) ndicinga ukuba uliHlubi. Ndikukrokrela uba awuzilibalanga, “ononxa asikhathali”.
Enkosi mtshana, mzala, yonke lonto.
ndicela nindithuthele amaqwathi onzolo,onzila ka nzothwane
nam ndigu Nzolo, uNzila ka Nzothwana khanitsho bantakwethu bina bazalwa ngubani
nguMqwathi, uDikela, Unoni, Untswayibana, uNzila kaNzothwana, uMaxweba amaphambili ngenxa yoswel’ iinkomo
ndicela ukwaz amaqwath onzolo.. ndcela nindthuthele wona torho
amanzolo ngonzila onzothwane ontswaybana ompembe onomatyala
the amaqwathi started to migrate to many areas of south africa after the 1880 anticolonial revolution. the house of Dikela wich is the main house will never gain its status as his grand sons are no more concerned about the kingdom and its rituals. for eg. Nqele was buried in the northren free state farms following his death in 1916. some lot of history lied in his grave.
You seem to have better knowledge of our history and i think I can learn a lot from you. I have been tracing my ancestry and ended up in Free State were my great grandfather Nqele died but still don’t have the name of the farm because my father was born in the 40’s therefore difficult for him to tell me more. I really want to trace my ancestry until in the Eastern Cape.
im also doing lot of follow ups concerning who i am, but thanks! As to Nqele i know his grave and a little history to tell, my farther was called him grandfather.
As i was saying he was the grand farther of farther like you he is my great grandfather, My advantage is one as to the issue of Nqele i lived in the free state not far from his grave, his grandson Ntengwane did somenthing amaizing before he past away, i was young by then but i can re call he sid to my farther he is not gonna pass away although he want to before he make his parents tomb stones he was by then very old. He did them and little later he passed away and was burried at the township of Kanana Orkney. He left us history, i must say. Again i may say you receive history by fortunes not by your presence when it was happening. I visit Ragadi often as she live nearby in the same township she is a daughter of Ntengwana she can tell alot too. I wish we can meet as the qwathi in huge ceremony to pay homeage….. i like to meet up white people like you who likes to know what i like to know, imvelaphi yam!
thanks very much i would really like to know where in the Free State is he buried so that I can go and pay homage
Ndingum Qwati name kwaye ndinomdla woyazi ngokucacileyo nongokuphangaleleyo imvelaphi yam. Kulengxaki unayo yokukhangela ingcwaba elise Free State, ndicinga ukuba Ukhona umntu endingakudibanisa naye ungazama ukunceda ekukhombeni indawo leyo ine gcwaba. Nantsi inumber yam: 081 479 3371
Go to KZN. oNqele = Manqele and Nxele as far as I can tell. Nxele is the progenitor of the Mthethwa clan that King Shaka built the Zulus from. uGondongwane who led it before uShaka also lived in the Eastern Cape when he was escaping his father, UKhayi, who wanted to kill him. In old Nguni, Nxele = Nsele = Ncele = Cele = Sele or Seleka Ndebele or Sothos. So, I would read up on all this history and pray that God leads me to the correct answer.
AmaQwathi abizwa ngamaNgadi or Kgadi or Hari as in Kalahari (amaNkala = amaNgala and Hari = Ngadi = Qwathi) all over Africa. For instance, the president of Nigeria is called Buhari. AmaNgadi were ruled by amaNguni. Another way of writing Gadi = Kali (as in Zikhali) = Kai = Kei = Nqayi = Ngqayi = Ncai = Ncinga = Giga = Gega = Kwena = Mangena. You will see that the bulk of Zulu people come from this line of people as Ndlanzi/Nhlanzi/Mhlambi/Mathlaping/Mhlaba/Mahlaba/Saba/Siba/Sheba/Shaba/Chava/Xava/Xaba people, then Mthiyane-Mthania (who KZN is named After in elikaMthaniya) and Cele-Ndosi or KZN Dosini people and their close relatives, Ndobe, Qwabe, Makhanya, Mpondo and Mpondomise or Mthembu people – amaPondomise are called Mthembu in KZN. They are also called Mbuduma or Manala or Ngala or Dlomo or Ndlovu or Jobe or Sithole or AmaThole people. This is by far the largest body of people in South Africa = AmaThembu.
Ngqele was buried in the farm called Rodaplat and his elder son was also buried in the same farm His name was Mduzane the sons of Mduzane where 16 His eldest son was tshangane.
it can be noted that Nqele left the wars by himself to the industrial towns of free state. he was followed by his learned son called Ntengwana who practiced as a teacher and a president at old ithiopian church. His brother Mnokwa came but never liked the idea of working for anyone including whites, so he left to the eastern capes Umthatha were he married his second wife. his younger brother Qomemba also followed including Ndabayithethwa who left for johannesburg and was never seen to this date. the anticolonial revolution imposed hardship to the life of Nqele and his sons and grandsons. from the royal house to the farms of the formerly orange free state means misery that no one will like to tell to his children!………………………….
ndimke uMaqwathi sizalana sonke ndicela sidibaneni sikhe siyeni enGCOBO ndazalelwa eCape Town zininzi izinto zam ezifuna Qwathi
I also want us to meet and pay homeage to our great nation, as you have proposed the place i will also say is a good place to meet for us as im in the free state and when you say eastern cape to me you say home masidibaneni, may ancestors give that a blessing. thanks again to the web designe of this (IMBALI YA MAQWATHI)
Nam ndinguMqwathi. Singancokola kakuhle kwi email address eyam: lsetemere14@gmail.com
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it should be noted that Qomemba was buried also in the fs but not on the same farm as Nqele. i
Ndingu Mqwathi udikela kanoni;my thinking is that having looking at the policy shift that is not neccessary benefiting those who are in dire need of help mine is that All amaqwathi to come together and start thinking of swelling the ranks of palament and elect our own in leadership position.
The Farm is called Rodaplat
Amaqwathi still rule where am from Scala,lower Seplan Irani yabo nguStokwe the king is now Somdaka you can go there to find out more kuthiwa yindlu enkulu leyana andingomqwathi but I know a little nge history yenu since my grandmother is related kwaStokwe emaqwathin(where the royal family lives in Seplan).
Can you please help me trace ooDikela because I have been trying to trace my history and I could only go far as Free State and was told my grandfather died there in some farm in the early 1900.
Nam ndinguye uDikela, uNoni, uNtswayibane, umadl’inkowane angayihlanz’uzungamniki noba seyifunan, uNomatyala, uMndima, Nkonjan’ebhabhel’em6ini, ndityayithanda lento ntozakuthi, kuhle xa sisayikhumbula yaye sisakhanuka ukwazi ngakumbi ngemvelaphi yethu, Ngxatsho maQwath’amahle ndithi ndithi nzala ka Phalu, maz’enethole….my email_t.ndatane@gmail.com…ndingakunqwenela kakhulu ukuxhumana nani makhos’amahle
Dikela = Tshona = Ntshona is a verbal libation of the Magwaza people who make up the Sandile or Mpondo people of the Rharhabe and other groups within the Gazu people of the Sibiya clan. Dikela = Dikane = Madzikane = Dingaan = Dingane. A king was always called by the name of the people he ruled. I would research amaBhaca and then go back to Zululand.
The Ntshona are also the Shona people of Zimbabwe who link up with the Nyanja (you use Njanya – it’s the same thing) of the Malawi people who are actually oTshabalala bonke. UTshabalala = Shaba-Lala or Xaba-Langa or Nxaba-Langa = Msane-Rawa (Lawa or Mlilo or Mlilwana or Langabi or MaGabhi) = Msane-Qwabe. oChagwe, literally, = Chewa or Shewa (Ethiopia)= Celani = Celia = Ceila = Cela = Cele = Khele = Khela = Sokhela = Songosi = Sonkosi = Solosi = Songwane = Shongwane = Shongela = Nsele = Seleka Ndebele = Barolong Ba ga Seleka = Mhlongo people of the Nguni/Zulu.
KwaNguni, iziBongo aziphindwa. So, if it sounds similar, it is the same. We are so closely-related, it is scary!!!
Hi where are you located ? Who was your grandfather? Mina ndi Thandeka Ntloko and I’ve been looking for o Ntloko ba ka mqwathi everywhere please help 069 251 9843
Ewe, ndingavuya nam xa ndigazi amanye amaqwathi.
Ewe, ndingavuya nam ukwazi nokudibana namanye amaqwathi
I would love to know okokuba amaqwathi amavala athi xa ezithutha.
UXesibe lo ingaba uzindlu zingaphi, iyeyiphi emi kanjani kweyiphi?
yhooo , such informative session…thank youuuuuu
stokwe , kwezalali zakuthi amawathi namaNzolo alwa ngobukhosi , kanti bazalana njani uNzolo no Qwathi , ubukhosi bulunge kubani ?
Mqwathi
Nzolo
Nzila
Nzothwane
Inkomo zika mdaka
Inkomo zika myamana
Inkomo zika naniso
Inkomo zika mapolo
Inkomo zika pawula
Pha kwa Hinana esterkspuit
Nzolo = Tolo = Tulu = Nzulu = Zulu. Qwati = Ngwadi or Mkwadi or Kgadi or Ngadi/Mngadi or Khathi or Zulu (umkhathi neZulu into eyodwa). Inzalo kaMalandela uQwabe no Zulu, 2 brothers bazalwa uNozidiya (noma NoNsindane noma NoSenzanga noma Nozizwane noma NoTholane or NoNzuzane noma NoNtwane noma NoNzwane noma KaZwane) wakwa Zungu.
Umlando lo uwuthola kwaZulu nakuBeSuthu. ONzolo abaningi ubathola bazibiza ngamaTshwana kodwa bangabeNguni baphuma KwaZulu. Bathi bangoTlou noma Ndlovu noma Zhou noma Zhoulou noma Toure noma Ntuli (emaBheleni) oNtuli baphuma kuZwane noma Nzwane KwaZulu.
i wanna know all about the history yaMaqwathi and who lead who and how all did it started,,,,,,i wanna know all about ukuzithuthwa kwamaqwathi
I wanna know where amaQwathi originate from?
Ndicela umntu ozake andithuthele ooDIKELA ngokupheleleyo
Kuzakubakh intlanganiso yamaqwathi engcobo egubenxa elingaphambili sizakube sisikel intweni yokuba sphuma ph ngbni omdal kunomnye kwaye kukh abalungisa nge gusha kukho abebhokhwe kukh abenkom ngko ke sizakujngana neznto ezkumila nelohlobo
ndicela i date yalentlanganiso if seyidlulile elandelayo inini?
from Yolanda dudumashe
Nini na ni siphe i date, so that we may come over!
Ndiyayaz iminyaka yadlula kodwa ndinga vuya ukwaziswa ngetlangano elandelayo (0630915202) Nzolo
Qwathi iyavumeleka na kumalungu ebebakhona kwezontlanganiso, aquka nawe (ubukho-ubungekho), ukuba nisiphe ingxelo kwalapha pa-ha-ha?
Ukuba akuvumelekanga ndoyincoma naleyo kuba inesizathu endisihloniphayo. Kodwa ke ndinawo umdla phaya kwezangxelo zamawethu.
NdinguMisumzi oqhulwa-‘StopTheHouse’ or StaYho! or Nyathel’ ivundu noba uthe Thethokuhle ikwandim, owhatsapp;063 289 6585, email; zilimbola2013@gmail.com
Ndiva abantu besithi si wrongo xa thina sisithi singooDikela ooSdindi kanti fanele sithini
They are right ask a badala they will tell.
ooSdindi nooDikele bohlukene. ooDikela ngooNoni ooNtswayibane
uSdindi ngunyana kaNoni, Dikela nguNyana kaNtswayibane. Noni ngumninawa kaNtswayibane kodwa uNtswayibane ngowendlu enkulu!!
Ndifuna umntu 0nothutha amaQwathi, 0oDikela
Bendicela ukwazi imbali ngaMacwerha
ndifuna ukwazi ngatheni amaqwati ane ngqithi na thombayo
Amasiko abantsundu ake akhangeleke njengemfitshi-mfitshi. Umzekelo ukubhunqa kwasesintwini kowendileyo kuyonyelwa ngumsesane wasesiLungwini kulemihla. Ukubhinqa sekufana nenkqitso.
Isenoba thina maQwathi anengqithi nathombisayo sibambelele kwinto esiyifunde kwabangaphambili basemaQwathini.
Angathombisiyo nangenangqithi nawo abambelele kwinto ayifunde kwabangaphambili bengebasiQwathi. Kodwa iyeyona yoyisayo kuba soya siyeka xa sisonke ukuthombisa nokunqumlana iingqithi.
Enkosi Qwathi
Mandilungise landawo ithi “ukubhunqa”, bendizama ukuthi: ukubhinqa.
Uzukhumbule uba noba andazi nto na. Kodwa faneluba ukuthombisa nokunqumla ingqithi kwakuqalwe ngabantu abam-balwa, bekungelosiko ngeloxesha emaQwathini.
Isenoba sithe lisiko kuba sesingene kulonkqubo sonke (ukuba saside sakuyo sonke).
Mhlawumbi lomasiko aye atshitshiswa yimpembelelo yezinye iintlanga, ingakumbi ezimhlophe. Aba banini baye bayeka bafana nokuba ngabona babuyele kundalashe kuba phambi kokuba siqale sasingenzi.
Kuba ningayekiswanga ngundalashe, niyekiswe kukuwexulwa zezintlanga zideleleyo de zancothula ezinye emalungelweni azo obuzwe; nifana nabalahle amasiko.
Kwelinye icala, sonke besimana siyeka. Akukho mntu unokwenza siko lide njengokuthombisa, nokwenza isilonda ngengadla kube kulixesha lemfazwe.
Uninzi lwamasiko ngoku enziwa ngexesha elivumela iholide yesikolo neyempangelo.
Aba babuyelayo ke ndinokuthi ngamathanda mthetho. Noxa engazi uba alandela izinto ezazisithini ezinye zenjongo zazo.
Aph’ engqithini kukhangeleka ngathi kufundiswa umntwana ukunyamezela ukunyanga nokuhlonipha igazi kuba:
1 (kubuhlungu kakhulu ukuyikhathalela, iyalibaleka xa umdlalo ushushu kanti izakuthunakala. Athuthuzelwe ngokungxoliselwa ukuthanda ukudlala ezazi uba unengqithi).
2 (ukhuthazwa ukugcwayela intsundwane, abe ephiwa namanye amayezana okumpholisa).
3 (yonke lento ifanele imenze alazi ixabiso legazi, angaze ophise mntu. Ayazi nendlela yokuphilisa nokupholisa xa athe wabona ingxwelerha)
Ukuba ke nyhani zezinye zeenjongo ezi, anditsho ukuba zisabekwe phambili ngabanqumlana ingqithi. Into enoba isabekwe phambili bubusiko lalapha ekhaya qwaba.
Umthombiso wona uyachazwa ngabantu endingezubachaza kuba andazi noba bovuma na okanye abaqikeleli njengam na. Nencwadi endizilibeleyo zingqinelana nabo:
Kuthiwa kwenziwa ikhom-khom phaya entonjaneni ukuze yakuphuma ibe nomtsalane ibonelwe isoka, yende.
Nosendile ke uyathonjiswa xa ebengekathombi kulento ndithi sekuqhutywa isiko, hayi ngokwenjongo zalo xa zizonke. Nongekafikeleli ekwendisweni uke abe ethonjiswa ukuzama ukuzicuthela komzali amaxanduva alindeleke awenze.
Avela aphi amaqwath
I think it will be vital that we plan and agree to go Engcobo this coming December, for example I’m in Pretoria and to me its worth it to drive there to know my people more. By the look of things we are a big number as grandchildren of uMqwathi and this could be stepping stone in claiming back our unsung Kingdom because our fore fathers left that hanging, in other words we should stop that trend so that it doesn’t pass through to our children while we still have capabilities and abilities to do so. I we all agree on a date that will accomodate almost everyone I’d like those who stays close to Engcobo help us in terms of find out the possibilities of getting the venue there and we can discuss the rest after that.
Bantwana beNkosi yamaQwathi
UbuKmnkani besisizwe samaQwathi busemaXesibeni. Pha Engcobo kusebuKhosini. INgcobo le yonke ngumhlaba wabaThembu owathathwa ngamaQwathi.
The substantial information about the history of amaQwathi, the fiercely independent and the anti-colonial nation, could be obtainable from the current Qwathi Chief (Dalasile) at Nkondlo Royal Place, Engcobo.
However, you can logon at: http://eprints.ru.ac.za/1751/ for further detailed information about the existence, the reigns, and the challenges Qwathi tribe triumphed since their creation by Chief Mtshutshumbe ka Mthetho.
Nondzaba is the 5th descendant of Xesibe heirs among twelve. He gave birh to Hlabe – begot Mthetho – begot Mtshutshumbe,
Mtshutshumbe was the 3rd Heir to Nondzaba, his last born. He gave birth to Mndwana – begot Ncobe – begot Nkovane – begot Ntswayibana – begot Dikela – begot Ndlela – begot Stokhwe – begot Fubu – begot Dalasile where the Qwathi chieftainship is currently upheld in Nkondlo, Engcobo.
“Xa kuthuthwa isizwe samaQwathi kuthiwa: Qwathi – nkomo zikaXesibe, zikaJojo, zikaMtshutshumbe, ogqaz’indlel’ebhekebeNguni. Sisizwe esi sithuthwayo, hayi isiduko. Yiyo nalento ingathi bayatshatana, njengesizwe sabaThembu, nezinye, ziyatshatana kungabikhonto”.
The amaQwathi are not a Clan but an independent nation founded by Mtshutshumbe who split from the amaXesibe nation (Mt Allif) and settled in Mqanduli area in Thembuland for more than 350 years. They later settled in their present capital of Engcobo during the reign of King Dlomo of abaThembu in 1680.
I hope this information clears the path for those Qwathis who would love to know the history of their ancestors in order for them to move forward.
I thank you
Mandibulise kwigqadi likaXesibe Amaqwathi ,mna ndingu maqwathi Steve Bantubakhe Nyatela .lo nguntsundu umngxongo ,Mnguti ,Zondwa zintshaba ,sophitsho, Vela bembhentsele ,Ngqolomsila ,Nkonjane emnyama evele emfini, ungubhana kamphose sebeni .Mandithathe elithuba ndihlomla ngembali yaMaqwathi .The Amaqwathi are Xesibe .They originated from Xesibeland in present Mount Ayliff .They are the descendant of Njanya whose father was Sibiside .Sibiside bigot Njanya ,Mkhize and Dlamini .Njanya crossed Uzimvumbu river and gave birth to the following sons Mpondomise and Mpondo ,the twins and their imfusi Xesibe and her Sister who is the mother to Bomvane clan in Mqandulu. Xesibe begot Ntozabantu,Ntozabantu begot Ndzunza ,Ndzunza begot Miyana ,Miyana begot Bimbi from the great house and Nondzaba from Right hand house . Nondzaba as right hand house begot Hlabe from Iqadi .Hlabe begot Mthetho and Mthetho begot Mtshutshumbe .Mtshutshumbe left xesibeland with his ox called Qwathi which was given to him after his initiation school .He moved towards the direction of Gcalekaland but was prevented by wars. He changed his direction to Mzintlava nd moved further to Nomadolo where they were asked their isiduko and they responded by saying Qwathi.They moved to Mgudu and later Tshebengwana valley up to Ndlunkulu and camp on a hill over looking Clarkebury .That hill was named as Noni .On the arrival they sent a messenger to King Mnguti to inform him of their presence .Mguti was a king of Thembus whos son was Mngxongo from right hand house known by his isikhahlelo Mpose sebeni.Qwathi paid busa cattle as a sign of respect to the King .King Mnguti asked his son Mngxongo to stay with Qwathi at Esigubudwini .Its ulike that the Qwathi took the land from the Thembus instead the arrival of Qwathi assistated Thembus to be a most powerful nation.Qwathi though still return they are a separate clan they are Thembus by culture and were assimilated to Thembus.Today Qwathi they use gots to make imbeloko and ukuthomba , ingqithi something Xesibes do not practice.This shows the influence of Thembus within Qwathi clan. I also want to correct a confusion that Qwathi arrived in Thembuland during the reign of Dlomo.in 1928 .This cannot be true because Dlomo is a great great son of Mnguti .Mnguti begot Ntose ,Ntose begot Ntande ,Ntande begot Nxeko ,Nxeko begot HLANGA Dlomo from right hand house and Ndungwane from IQADI . A war over a throne ensued between Dlomo and his brother Hlanga .Hlanga was defeated Dlomo took over till to Dalindyebo . Now this is a line of chieftanship of Qwathi .Mtshutshumbe begot Mndwane and he begot Ncome who begot Nkovane who begot Ntswayibana from the great house and Noni from right house and Mfusi from minor house.Ntswayibana never showed no interest in chieftanship and always sent his brother to preside over cases. He was always at endimeni eyolima .As a result the Qwathi chieftanship shifted to the right hand house .Ntswayibana lost chieftanship to his brother .Today we have a clan within Qwathi known as Amandima as a result of Ntswayibana and a location in Engcobo known as KwaNdima. Noni begot Mtshaba who begot Lutshaba land Lutshaba did not have a male heir .Fubu from the right hand house took over .Fubu begot Dalasile who begot Langa who begot Mlilo who begot Sakhela who begot Mzikayise .Natso ke bakhuthi ngenxa yexesha bendawunaba kakhulu
Kukho incwadi (Thesis) ebhalwe ngu Mlungisi Ndima- A history of the Qwathis from earliest times to 1910. Ifumaneka e Rhodes University. Kuyafuneka umntu ayifunde ukuba ufuna imbali epheleleyo neyenza ukuba AmaQwathi la abe sisizwe esidumileyo. Umbhali ubalisa ngophando awalwenzayo kumanyange aseMaqwathini.
Bendigqibele engenabukumnkani amaXesibe, eneenkosi nawo njengamaQwathi.
INgcobo zange yaba ngumhlaba wabaThembu. NguMthatha noMqanduli neeKomani eyayizezamaQwathi. Waze uMtshutshumba wathi kuMnguti, “Mnguti THATHA lomlambo ukuze loomhlaba walomlambo ibe nguMTHATHA.
AbaThembu beze kooKomani kuba babebaleka imfecane, bezimela kwangomQwathi.
UDikela akazali Ndlela.
UStokwe akazali Fubu.
UXesibe noJojo abekho kwizithutho zamaQwathi.
Singabafakela thina kuba sisiya ngokwemvelaphi. Kodwa uJojo angake abe uzelwe ngoku sesahlukene nekhaya-khulu. Ngoku sesingamaQwathi.
ixeshaa lilo eli lenza ndinquphele
Hayi mQwathi ayikho into ekuthiwa kukuthutha isizwe ngezithutho zaso: isizwe sinengxube-vange yezithutho ezinokukulahlekisa, njengoko sewumanyanisa ngosana uJojo.
UJojo liXesibe, apho siphuma khona. Faneluba semnka kungekazalwa nosakaJojo. Ngoku wenza njani ukusithutha ngemveku enguJojo oyintanga yeefani zethu kulent’ oba naye eyifani.
Isiduko (kwanesizwe) sithuthwa ngezithutho zesiduko. Into endiyimangalayo; mQwath’ omkhulu unxulumanise kakubi wafaka ifani yamaXesibe, uyimisa neenkonde zakowayo ezindala lee kunayo, nezaphuma ingekazuzalwa.
Akwaba ubufake lenkonde uNonzaba. Kungenjalo uSobopha (wamva) kuba ngowalomhlathi wasemaQwathini.
Thina booZilimbola nooSobopha sinabo ubuXesibe. UJojo akanabo ubuQwathi. Ubuya abenabo kuba thina sinobuXesibe nobuQwathi.
BuQwathi obo sabunikwa liXesibe. Elalinika thina into emasibenayo endleleni esasizakuyihamba. EloXesibe lalinganiki amanye la angezuya ndawo.
AmaQwathi azakulahlekelwa bubuQwathi xa uwanika umqulu wawo wobuXesibe, endaweni yeeyadi zawo zobuQwathi.
Ngamana ityhileke kuwe lento: indlela enqumlayo ingasiwisa isileyi (trailer yetruck), ingekuba ayiyi khona.
Ezindawo zingengobantu, nokwenza abamva ndiyazamnkela zona kuba andinanto yakundahlulela kwezinye zazo.
Njengale: “Khandanyawana”. Zange ndayiva ezinqulweni/ ezithuthweni zamaQwathi kodwa ngekhe ndiphike kuba salukhanda unyawana eluhambeni.
Did this meeting ever happen eNgcobo
Ndiqale ndixolisa on commenting kwi post yakudala but I would love yo know ba kwade kwadityanwa nha if yes ingaba inini enye indibano
Hi. I’m a Qwathi too and am in PTA. Just discovered this blog. Did you manage the come together at Engcobo? Well, I hope so! 2015 is just around the corner, maybe we can organise a meeting of amaQwathi somewhere her in PTA. Just a thought.
Hi Fakazile. I’m in PTA too and didn’t know that there were others here. Ndiwaka Maseti nam. Please let’s talk.
It’s never too late if one wants to meet with his people. NdinguMqwathi nam ndihlala e Pretoria East. Ndingavuyela ukudibana namanye aMaqwathi ahlala kufuphi.
AmaQwathi are meeting for ceremony as from 20th – 27 September 2021 eNgcobo.
AmaQwath Dumba kaNobangula Ncwane Hlasela Mabengentsikeni ….
True that
I totally agree with you my brother so that we can claim our kingdom
I totally agree with you my brother so that we can claim our kingdom
ndi bhulangwe fola bhekizulu tshikitsha
mnyamana yakashe gwalashe intaka emnyama endanda emafini ibuye nodaka .andikwazi ukuthutha .ubhulangwe uzalwa ngubaniw.
Ndicela ukukhe ndixelelwe ngooKhebesi
Can anyone please list me the names of the sons of Inkosi Stokwe Ndlela… that will be enough for what i will like to achieve in my search.
NdinguMawethu igama kwaNtetha eVaalbank sikulengxaki nathi kula family yasekhaya yokungabikho familiar ngobuQwathi obu ndizamile ukumbuza utata wam kodwa khange ndifumane mkhondo ucacayo but ubendi referrer ku Elder dabs wam naye undishiye esithubeni kodwa ke unayo into ethi Mqwathi,Dikela,Noni,ntswayibana,nkonjan’emnyama indand’emafini,Stokwe ndlela…so kuyavakala ukuba lo Ntetha ukulamacala aseNgcobo wayetshate nentombi yaseMarhudulwini kwaMagxala eQhugqwarhu…ingxaki ngoku akhonto zisihambela kakuhle plz help my contact is 0718989823..need to know my relatives asp
U Tata wayendibalisela ngamadoda amane amaNtondo afika ahlala phaya kuTsembeyi kufutshane neVaalbank.Amagama awo ngala: Frans ka Vazi, Gqiba ka Vazi, Ngxazana, no Ntetha.Inzala ka Frans ifumaneka phaya ku Mateyise, uNgxazana kuTsembeyi.Sithi xa sizithutha: Mlawu, Ntondo ka Noni, Lutshabe, nkonjan’emnyama endand’emafini, into zika Mthetho.Kungenzeka uyinzala yaloo Ntetha kuba ke U Tsembeyi, no Mateyise, ne Vaalbank ziziphaluka nje zendawo enye.Inkosana yomaNtondo yayikhe yafika ivela eNgcobo yathi, banalo uludwe lweentsapho zonke zamaNtondo ezabaleka zaya e Lady Frere ngemfazwe nama Ngesi(Qwathi rebellion).
Ndake ndeva kusithiwa imvelatanci kaStokwe nguNyamankulu. De kwabuthiwa ayinguye olunge nobukhosi kuba inkosi enguyise (Stokwe) yathi seyimzele emfazini wayo uNyamankulu. Yazek’ omny’ umfazi yabeka ngapha, yaphinda yazeka omnye yabeka ngapha.
Yathi ekugqibeleni/ngelingeni yazeka enye intombi ngoku sekukudala izala kwaba bafazi bayo bakhoyo ngokwezindlu ababezizo ngaphambi koba izeke lentombi yayiyeyamva; yazichitha zonke izindlu, yaziseka ngokutsha kuba lo uzekiweyo yintombi yesizwe/ yenkosi emathileni.
Yenziwa uNdlunkulu loontombi ilizekwa-mva injalo. Ndeva nokuba iinkosi zakwaStokwe zizalwa yilontokazi yomthileshe.
Imvelatanci ngumntu ozelwe kuqala wangumkhuluwa kunabanye bakowabo. UNyamankulu akakhalazi wazi inkqubo agcine yona iyekaStokwe omdala kunaye.
id like to rectify something as we procced amaqwathi the ideologies of the whites must not take the best of ourself….!Never we should say Chief Stokwe Ka Ndlela, never. He was the KING in all rights. If Amaqwathi is indeed a nation like we are saying then it cant be rulled by a chief, only by a KING whites played us down in the writing of our own history and is about time we are out of that. What im saying is right in all African philosophies.
Iam looking for relatives of Frans Mqwathi who passed away 1968 was working at Pretoria for road constraction
amaQwathi ooDikela ooNoni Ntswayinane ooSdidi iinkom Zika Noni
ndiyabawela sibenexesha apho sithi yinyanga nyokufuthelana singa maQWATHI asixelele uFubu apha eNgcobo
MaQwathi amahle ndiyabulisa. Ndikhula kusithiwa singaooKhebesi ndisandukuva ukuba siyenye yendlu zamaQwathi. Ndicela ukwazi ukuba ooKhebesi aphuma kweyiphi indlu ezalwa ngubani. Ndiyabulela. NP Nongxa.nongxa2101@gmail.com
Ndingu mamkhebesi nam ntombi ngandincede. Ndiva ukuba sizalwa kwindlu kaNzolo
ublangwwe ngunyana ka ndzoloshe ozalwa ngu mndwane kamtshutshumbe
ka mthetho
Ndicela undichazela ngokuphangaleleyo ngoBlangwe. Mna ndiphaya e Sterkspruit.
ndi ngu blangwe fola mnyanmane bhekizulu mtshikitsha yakashe gwalashe inkonjane mnyama endande mafini ibuye nodaka .ublangwe kuthiwa uzalwa ngu ndzoloshe ozalwa ngu mndwana kam tshutshumbe .ingabs inyani sekile lonto .ndi cela uncedo uthini umnombo ka blangwe .ikhaya lam liphaya kwa nzolo emva kwe dalasile police station eyayi bizwa ngo kuba yi gqaga police station. please
Molweni apha ekhaya, abuhli tu ubuthongo kum kobubusuku de ndacinga ngemvelaphi yam. Sikelelwa Ndlela onguMamqwathi, kudala ndifuna ukwazi abanye abantu abango Ndlela, utata xa simbuza akasilandiseli ncam about his history, usuke athi bathutha Engcobo ngexesha kwakutshiswa amasela utata wabo waya nabo e Cala. the only family I know yile yalendlu yasekhaya kwaye iyandihlupha kakhulu lonto.
Lembali akunika yona icekethekileyo ndicela ungayideli. Xa seufumene engqongqo kusenobakho isikhewu esizakuvingcwa zindawana ezinjengale uthi wayekuxelele yona.
Ndinolwazana lwembalana encinci yamaQwathi angooSdindi kodwa ndingakuxelela nje inyaniso ethi ndiyakhe ngeziqwentshu-ngeziqwentshu. Ezinye zideleke kuba ziphikisana nezinezigaqa. Kujike ngenye imini ndifumanise ukuba le idelekileyo inyanisile ngokuphathelele landlu ithile yakwaSdindi.
Lena intle ibuxutywa nobuxoki kuba lo wayeyibalisa wayesenoba uhombisa lendlu aphuma kuyo yena siqu.
Kubakho ixesha ekufuneka ndikhumbule izinto endandizidelile xa sekunzima, abanye beziba iziganeko zembali baziqhusheke ngongathi zizenzo zookhokho babo ababengengawo namaQwathi.
Qina sulahlanto embalini noba isakhangeleka ngathi iyayaluzelisa.
mna ndinguMQwathuMvala, kodwa andikwazi ncam kuzithutha
khaya lam Lady Frere.
ngubani ongandithutha?
ndinguMQwathuMvala, kodwa andikwazi ukuzithutha tu. ngubani ongandinceda? tamales melanoma kulabravo yam. ndingowaseLady Frere. Mkapusi
My elder use to say amaqwathi
Onono odikeka otswaibani, gwede mantashe, amabagula, amakhebisi, o mvala Masango dabisa
My elder use to say amaqwathi
Onono odikeka otswaibani, gwede mantashe, amabagula, amakhebisi, o mvala Masango dabisa
People say my surname iyisithakazelo some say its an OX name and some say is from royalty plz help
i am daughter born by the Qwathi son, whose clan names are” Mlawu,Tsilito,vasi,ntondo,Nomelithunxe kwelentaba etc…so now i am confused because on Qwathi history Mlawu died before he got kids, i just want to know, which house do we fall under?
Ibhida injalo ke kuba singamaNtondo sike sifake noLutshabe ozalwa nguMtshaba.Into eqinisekileyo kukuba siphuma kwindlu ka Noni, yena engumninawe ka Ntswayibana.Siphuma kunyana kaNoni wamagqibelo ogama lingu Ntondo
Ndingu mamqwathi. Ndifuna ukwazi imbali yawo.
Ndicela. Ukwazi. Ngo dikela bakw madlebe ,pleas guys namaqwathi akwa. Madlebe pzz
Mna ndi ngu Mncedisi Michael Tau, elesitekitiso ngu (Shotana), imbali ya ba zali yona ithi ba vela e Eastern Cape, beza njalo behlala emaplasini, mna ndi hlala e Mahikeng e North West Province, ikhaya la ba zali bam lise Daweni, ndicela ni funisise ngesibongo sika Tawo, ngoba abazali bathi singa Mqwathi, ooBhlangwe dikela,noni,ntswayibane.
Zama Mayor Vuntu, ndingu Nyana kaMlungisi Pietie Vuntu Ozalwa ngu Dazini Vuntu owane nkosikazi enguMamgcina abasekho emhlabeni kwaye zange ndababona. IKhaya lise Elliot- ekhowa
Le fani yakwa Vuntu isuka phi kwaye kuba kukho noBobotyane, Phuthi etc.
I’m confuse please explain how ooSdindi mix with ooDikela but they are subclan too.
I was born out of marriage, my. Father originally from Engcobo.ifaniyakhe ngu-Qole, ifuna ukwazi ukuba bathini na xabe zithutha ,bephuma kweyiphi indlu, kwezizindlu zamaQwathi? Bathi bangoodikela, oononi, oontswanibana, oonomatyala zithini xa zigqitha?
Molweni maqwathi amahle
Ingaba udikela angazeka emabanguleni na? Okanye ubhulangwe angendela emabanguleni okanye kwa Dumbe? Ndincedeni hle, onolwazi
Ewe Nomawethu
Thembile Stokwe ise ivunywe phaya Engcobo kudlunkulu le nto yokuba sizii nkosi not Kings kwisizathusokuba safika sacela umhlaba ku kumkani u Dlomo wabaThembu desimane ikhupha ne rent annually to the guy
Lindi, i was referring to our fundamental status before we met the Thembu, Mtshutshumbi founded a nation not a clan for clans existed in it though it was small it was a nation, and if we admit that it was a nation we admit that it should be ruled by a king. i was fed our history by first hand.But thanks for making me think again!
Mna ndingu Kwanele Totyi kodwa ifani leyayakulo mama katata owayengu mamyirha ndicela ukuqonda ngamaqwathi akwa Miselo kuba le yeyona fani katata ondizalayo ongu Zithulele totyi Miselo koodikela umnombo wakhe ndinqwenela ukuwazi plz
You must remember that even though were have our own nation we belong/are attached to Abathembu Clan which is not our own but we are adopted to abathembu being amampondo as original therefore we can not be the King over abathembu not unless we would have have defeated then in a war to take over the abathembu clan and in that way we would have taken over the Kingship of abathembu there is only one Kink in each clan and there is a clear distinction between a tribe and a clan,we are not a clan but a tribe therefore we can not have a King to be a King you have to be appointed under the clan or you can fight to take over .
Kunjalo ke Mqwathi!
Thembile dont confuse people ,there is no Qwathi and they will be never be one ,Amaxesibe popular known as Amqwathi were assimilated to Thembus hence on their arrival they paid a busa cattle to King Mngudi .Mngudi in return sent his righ hand house Chief Mphose sebeni ka Mngxongo to stay with the new clan not a nation.Let me help you in case you cannot diffferentiate between caln and nation ,Clan is homogenius and consist of its own family tree like Amqwathi with its own small houses .A nation is composed of dufferent clans coming together under the rule of one powerful which preside over in terms of Kingship .Amaqwathi never assimilated any clan under its rule and never douted that they under Thembu rule .Qwathis even by customs and heritage are Thembus hence Chief Sakhela even Fubu Lutshaba ,MNTSHABA ,MLILO LANGA all of them wre installed and inuagurated by Thembu King .Imagine within Engcobo there Thembu chief who falls under Dalindyebo house then you have a small clan claimimng to be a kingdom over few vlllages what a joke .Ndlela himself was under the rule of King Ngangelizwe when they went to war withouth king perimission they were fined each some cattle together with Gecelo .The Xhosa land known as Comfimvaba after whites handed it over to Queen Nonesi wife of King Ngubengcuka of Abethembu after Nonesi remain nuetral in a war between sarhili of Amaxhosa .Nonesi hand the land to Gecelo,Sithokwe and Matanzim .This is to show you that Thembus are kings above minor clans such as QWATHI
Athini wona Amanzolo xa ezithutha kwaye ehluke ngani ku Blangwe ukuba ohlukile?
Molweni Amaqwathi nam’ dinje ndisameli’date, so dibana phi,nini/
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Bayethe…nam ndingomnye wase maQwathini udikela unoni baendicela nindithuthele oodikela ngoba andikwazi uzithutha ndigqibe ndiphelela esthubeni futhi ndinomdla kakhulu ngokuzazi imvelaphi yam
Enkosi kakhulu maqwathi ngokucacisa imvelaphi yethu, nangani ndisafuna more info
Molweni…ndicela ukwazi iiziduko zonke zamaNzolo futhi ingaba anabo ubukhosi futhi ngubani okowuphi umhlaba
Does anyone know anything about the Moyakhe’s
Yhaaaa nhe nditsho ndazazi kunini ndizikhangela enkosi Noluyolo ngalengcaciso
Maqwathi asihlangane!!
ngobani ooNzolo,ooNzila ka Nzothwana
Molweni mzi wamaQwathi…mna ugama lam ndingu Nonzolo Mngcisana kumhlaba wase Coffee bay eMqanduli. Nathi singamaNzila alandawo sicela ukuncedwa ngemvelaphi yamaNzila. Xa sizithutha sithi Nzila kaNzothwana, Nzolo, Mdumani, Nondize, Bobese, Mgcaleka.
Kukhona namaNtshilibe nawo xa ezithutha atsho into enye. Kuthiwa ke imvelaphi yawo iseLesotho kwindlu yabaKwena.
Ncedani bethunana. My number is 0621070491
Ndi ngu Mqhwathi kodwa my surname is Plank. I assume this surname evolved from o Bhlangwe and was imposed by white colonialists. do you agree?? I am from a town called Kroonstad in the Free State. I would like to trace the roots of my generation. My grandfather, George Plank, died in 1954 in Kroonstad. I have no idea where he came from originally but after reading the above, I assume that the Plank generation evolved from the Bhlangwe generation from Engcobo
ngobani ooNdzolo,ooNzila ka Nzothwana
Molweni. Ingaba ukhona okwazi ukuthutha amaNcoche, ooNdala ? Ngabase Ngcobo elalini yakwaYawa…we are descendants of iNkosi Yawa. And i would like to know if we fall under amaQwathi and ngubani iKumkani yama Qwathi. Please help.
Bhlangwe, bhekizulu, mtshikitsha, nqarhi, nkomo zaphukele ntaben.
Ndicela nithuthe amablangwe onqarhi ngokuphelele plz
Hey sphokazi mna ndingu mamqwathi,dikela,noni,ntswayibana,mabhlwangwe,manqarhi,mnyamana,nomatyala,madlinkowane angayhlanzi u fola andiyaz le ithethwa apha andingo sdindi mna kwaye akhonto idibanisa nhoo ndima kum
Lwando uNqarhi ayisosiduko, sisihlonipho esisetyenziswa ngomama abendele kwaBhlangwe
Mna ke ndiliNzolo lase LadyFrere
Oyini Mholweni Maqwathi Nitsho kamandi Mma ndazi uba ndingudikela, unoni, nkovane,Unomakhungela, nkonjanimnyama idademafini, Unyokani icakanecandiziziba. My problem is ndavelele agautini ndakhulela khona and I would like to meet amanye AmaQwathi.
Uba bendingengoSdindi, bendizothi unguSdindi wena Lindiwe kuba engcanjini yayo lentetho yakho iya ngakwaSdindi.
Ingaya khona ke ukuba natsalwa kukutyibilika kolwimi komnye owayengumQwathi enisebenzisana naye kanti uliciko lakwaSdindi. Ndenzela ukuba uyiphande nale yooSphatheleni, neyamaqhaji/amaciko.
Into eyisa kwaSdindi lontetho yile; “Unomakhungela…Unyokani icakanecandiziziba”
UmSdindi nguNomakhungela. Lizilenzi elityhuliba iziziba zoMbhashe oseQetube. Ngumvetshane ochankcatha iziziba zaseThwane (okanye ogcagca neziziba…)
UNoni & “nkonjanimny…” noxa ikwangabakwakwaSdindi nje nabo abakubangi kuba bake babiwe nasesinye isiQwathi sakuthi gabalala. UDikela noNonkovane nabo siyabeba kumaNdima kuloNtswayibana.
Ixesha alindivumeli. Enkosi bye
Mna ndingu DIKELA IM SO PROUD would like to meet amaqwathi @ cape town
Mholweni bantakwethu igama ndingu Ntsikelelo Libuke. Ikhaya likulamhlaba wase Matatiele Ndicela uncedo ngemvelaphi yaManzolo nokuba bazithutha njani.
Ubukhosi bobooDikeka, amaNzolo nooDikela bonke bangamaQwathi, kuqala ooDikela kuzeze amaTshaba, ibengooSdindi, ooBhlangwe, ooBhose, amaNzolo, imiNcayi, ooNtondo, amaKhombayo, ooMkhondweni, amaVumbe, ookhebesi, amaBangula, amaDumba, ooMhotho, ooCakeni, ooBhabha, amaMvala, amaDabis ibengoosXimba njalo njalo. Olu luhlanga lamaQwathi inkosi yawo nguDikela, uNoni, uNtswayibane.
Ndicela umntu andincede andithuthele amaqwathi, ooDikela, ooNoni, Ntswayibane…
Ndiyavuya nditsho ndasazi isiduko sam kwakunye nemvelaphi uamaQwathi oDikela ononi
Um 4rm Oranjeville Free State, jst wnna knw bettr abt Amaqwathi. Um als part of thm, myb othrs ar my relatives, who knws..
Oononi, Ootswaibane, Oomvale!
Hebethuna ndicela onolwazi nge family yonkwenya ngama blangwe utamkhulu uthi babesuka pha ekhowa bemnka ngelaxesha le apartheid. Nxa sizthutha sithi singo blangwe onqarhi into zkamaphothi ugayigayi udebe umnyamana uqhamsweni umanzechanti umpempe
OoBlangwe abasekhowa basuka eQuthubeni okanye e Qebe Engcobo. Thatha uhambo uyofuna khona
Ndicelu fumana amablangwe akwa nkwenya
Nendice last ukwazi ukuba Amaqwathi onzolo bazithutha nano.
Bendicela ukwazi ukuba Amaqwathi ONzolo bazithutha kanjani
SIVUYILE STEMELA (KHOHLI), NDIYAVUYA XA NDIBONA LE SITE NGAMAQHWATHI, KWAKUDALA NDIYIFUNA, WAYESITHI UTATA XA ECHAZA NGEMBALI YETHU THINA AMABANGULA, OOBHOSE, OODUMBA, OOTYUTHU, OONDOSELE, UMDACA, OOZINQANA, OMAKULA’BABENGANGENTABA, THINA KE OOTATOMKHULU BABESUKA ENGCOBO KWESIKA NQELE PHESHEYA KWE-XUKA UMLAMBO, KODWANGOKU SESISE LADYFRERE KWAPERCY, NDINGAVUYA KAKHULU UKUBA QHO NGONYAKA SIDIBANE SINGAMAQWATHI.
Ndicela more information about amaqwathi amabangula odumba bazalwa ngubani now im surprised to hear that sikude kodikela ononi ndingumqwathi umbangula udumba
Ndiyavuya ndifumene leblog i feel proud to be in this qwathi nation
I live in cape town and i never went to the eastern cape my dad say singaba se Endwe moltina
Mablwangwe ngobani I’m clueless
Ngicela onolwazi ngomuntu owayengu Sagida Mqwathi wayesebenza endaweni yaseMkhomaas eminyakeni nawo 1990;1991 lapho nje owayazana noSoliwe Dlomo ngicela onolwazi ngaye plz umfowabo kwakuwu Franc Mqwathi naye owayehlala endaweni yase Gcilima*South a Cost* ngicela onolwazi angithinte kulenamba 0737958463 plz ngiyojabula kakhulu
Jhe guys khaninde nicede…nindithele ….amanzolo onzila onzothwana…….anyone onolaz makandincede
Mna ndingundzolo andikwzi ukuzithutha kuba buhlungu xa kufuneka ndizithuthile coz andazi ukuba ndiqale phi ndiphele phi , ndicela umntu onozutha plz .
Ndicela nithuthe amaqhwathi ango ndzunga
I want 2 know the backroun of amaqwathi
Halo people could you please help me here I want to know from our clan name Qwathi, ntswebana,dikela,noni…I wana know what the word No I means and where its from..
I want know the meaning of the word Noni in our clan name.
Ndicela ukwazi ngemvelaphi ngala madoda mabini akwa Blangwe u Dyani noNgwayishe, kodwa ingathi imvelaphi yabo isematatiyela okanye ecala or mqanduli ndicela keninabe ngalamadoda , niyityebise azalwa ngobani , wona aze azala obani bakweyiphi indawo ngoku
Mawethu MNA ndingu Zwelibalele Matutu uMqwathi, uDikela kaNoni, ndicela ukufuniswa usapho lakowethu ooMatutu ,enkosi
This is a wonderful debate, that needs to be taken further let us start with the Whatsapp group and work towards a meeting. that can assist us a great deal because I am one of you and told that Dikela is a son and Sdindi is another one. we call ourselves as Dikela, Noni, Yongose, Ntswayibana. My No. 0823676425
Mzi wasekhaya maqwathi amahle, Ndicela nje ingcaciso ngamaqwathi aphantsi kwendlu yamavala. sithini xa sizithutha….
Ndisatshaya
MOLWENI nam ke ndingu Mqwathi si apha e Gautini eSebokeng, ndingavuya nam ukudibana
Mina ngu sipokazi ntamo ndcela uqonda ukuthi amaMvala abelonga kweliphi icala bcoz ekhaya kuthwa Mvala,dikela,yongose,Ntswayibana,noni
Mna ndingu Blangwe umnyamana umtshikitsha umpembe uphube ubulisa ubhekizulu into ka Soganga ifani #Ndicela imvelaphi yam plz good people.
Mna ndingu Blangwe umnyamana uNqarhi umtshikitsha umpembe uphube ubulisa ubhekizulu. Ezi zenu andizazi xeim
Ah Mablangwe Amahle uyabulisa uBlangwe , unqarhi, uDikela, uNoni,uNtswaybana,uNzilaka Nzothwane .Camagu mzomhle
I am uMqwathi Umbangula and I want to know more about AMABANGULA
ndinguMqwathi uMnzolo uNzila kaNzothwana, isitshinga sikaNoni,ungquba uMpembe kaYibhana, uKhasa uKhaselemntwini njengomntwana.
Mawethu kudala ndicela ingcaciso ngukuzithutha kwama Mavala …please adviced in thisregard ccli
Mholweni maqwathi amahle, mna ke zakuthi ndilapha egauteni, ndingavuya kubana sdibane singamaqwathi sifundisane ngemvelaphi yethu, mnake ndingunzolo nzila kanzothwane, utata naye akandibaliseli kakuhle kubana kuthiwani ingathi naye akayazi kakuhle njena ndicela uncedo torh 0743820092/ 0730340078
Ndifuna amaqwathi anefani yakwaJaphta.
Mamvala,mamthembu,mamqwathi dikela ka noni…………………
mna ndngu dumba… ndcela nindthuthele ooDumba ntozakuthi
Mna ndingu Dumba ndcela ukwazi ngomnombo wamaDumba ntozakuthi
Molweni mna ndingu Lindiwe ndifuna amaqwathi anefani yakwa Funeka
BHOTANI!!! NdinguQwathi, uDikela, uNtswayibane xa sele ndinaba ndihamba ndithi ndinguNoni, uSdindi, uTye lenyengane, Zibunu zentaka yimilenze yayo, uManzini, uDumba, uNkonjane emnyama ebhabh’emafini ngegama ndinguDalibhunga ifani nguTaliwe ngokokuhlala ke ndiseWelkom inkaba yona iseNgcobo eLuhewini phantsi ke kweNkosi uFubu xa ndisiva ndichazelwa ngabadala ke. Ndiyathanda xa kunkcokolwa ngomlando okanye ke ngengcambu zamaQwathi la abhuzubhuzu kuba ndiyafunda ndicela ke oluhlobo ke, umntu onolwazi oluphangaleleyo mayela ke nesiduko esi ndikhula ngaso okanye ndithuthwa ngaso ake aphose esithebeni. Ngokuxelelwa nguTat’omkhulu uthi mna ndingo wendlu kaKhonkco. ndiyacela ukuba ukho onalo ulwazi makaqhagamshelane nam apha kule dilesi yemiyalezo yasekhusini oscard.do53@gmail.com ngokukhulu ukuzithoba.
MNA ndingu Yolanda Speelman umamqwathi , dikela , noni,ntswayibana,nomatyala,mnyamana inkaba yam use Sada
mna ndingu Mqwathi bhlangwe and Mqwathi Dikela Noni: Mama wam ngu Mqwathin Mablangwe tata wam ngu Mqwathi Dikela
Mna ndinguNobuhle Dastile, ndingumamqwathi udikela unoni untswayibane. Udastile yi surname kamama Katata, umhakhulu wam, utata uthi ifani yakowabo emaqwathini ngumlungwana, Nam ndiyafuna ukwazi ngemvelaphi yam and kwelicala lase dikeni anqabile amaqwathi, here’s my number 0728816790
Mna ndingumamqwathi udikela unoni untswayibane, edikeni. Ndifuna ukwazi amaqwathi akwa mlungwana, mlungwana yeyona fani yasekhaya udastile yeyakulo mhakhulu, here’s my number 0728816790
Ndiyabulisa ndingu Zoliswa Fetman waseNgcobo eGqaka engu Blangwe uNqarhi…… Inzima indaba yamaQwathi coz kuthwa uQwathi sisizwe sibenamasebe aso sonsisting of Dikela, Noni, Nzolo, Blangwe etc kodwa ndijonge uba asizithathi njengabantu abazalanayo thina ngoba kwako tata kuyatshatwana kwesisizwe sethu. Ithinin nalento?? My father and others under the branch of Blangwe, Nqarhi has a meeting kwaMAnzane last Saturday beyofuna lemvelaphi yoMnyamana kodwa basasele benemibuzo uba sizalwa ngubani nakanye singoBlangwe…….. sicela uncedo bantakwethu….
ndisatshaya
Molo cc Zoliswa mna ndinguNcumisa Simayi eMatatiele mna xa ndizituta nditi ndinguBlangwe,Nqari,Mnyamana,Fola ISIHLOBO SIKAMQWATHI hayi umqwathi iti lento thina boBlangwe sisuka kumazwe angentla eAfrica saze safikela e Mount Ayliff apo sihlangene namaQwathi abe esempini neNkosi okwakuthiwa nguMadzikane iboyisa thina boBlangwe sabanceda ukuyibulala baze basisondeza kubo ngolohlobo sazizihlobo zabo naxabefumana ubukosi babo thina sangamahlakane abo so asingoMaqwathi sizitshomi zawo ngose sibancede
ndicela ukwaziswa amablangwe andiwaz ngokupheleleyo kodwa indim lowo
oblangwe NGO nqarhi omnyamana ofola omnzolo omtshikitsha ondzotwane into zikabhekizulu
yah natsho nazithutha ndancuma ndodwa,nam ngu Blangwe lo,unqarhi,uNdzila ka zothwane
UNQARHI ayisosiduko sishlopho esisetyenziswa ngabendele kwaBhlangwe, umzekelo abavumelekanga bathi Nomafola kufanele bathi Mamnqarhi
Mna ndingu bhulangwe,nqarhi,nzila kanzothwane,Noni,ntswaybana
MNA bethuna ndinguNonzwakazi ndizalwa eMatatiele ndingumamQwathi uDikela uNtswayibana uSdindi sika Noni andazi npba ndizilandelisa kakuhle na kodwa ndikhula kusitshiwo ndizalwa ngumaDlomo uYem yem uSopitsho ndihlala aphe klerksdorp ndyarhalela nam xa kudityanwa ndibe khona to learn more…thnx
Cedani ndifuna amquathi awkward Dyonase e Eastern Cape MNA ndise North West e Rustenburg please
I love this BLOG, ndingu Vuyelwa Mfula umaNzila, Nzolo, Inkonjane emnyama ebhabh’e mafini, siizwe samaQwathi Engcobo.
NdinguNtombentsha Nqavela eGcuwa, ndiyayivuyela ke le ngxoxo ngenene asizazi futhi ke aye evuleka amehlo bantwana basekhaya ngk. Mna utata wam wasuka eMqanduli wayoma kuGatyana. NdinguNzila okwam.
Ndyakhuleka emakhosini, ndyacamagusha, ndythokozisa kogogo, mna ndinguSipokazi igama lokubheka, wakwa Ntamo, mna ndiyazalwa ngumagatyeni, ndingubhele kakhuboni esam isiduko, yena magatyeni uzalwa ngumamMvala, dikela, noni, yongose untswaybane omthembu, mna ndiye ndahlangabezana nentwaso apha ekuhambeni kwexesha, kwafumaniseka ukuba othweswe ubukhosi ngumamMvala, ngoku ndithwasile ndibizwa ngomKhosi umvala kula mhlaba wasethekwini, kulo wasempumalanga bathi gogo mvala, endikucelayo lilonke ndicela ucaciselwa kabanzi ngobuqwathi ukuba buhlukephi, thina singamaqwathi akwama gquntulu, EMAKHOSINI, MAKHOSAMAKHULU
Hi.I would live to know what Dikela means. It happens to be my second name but I have no idea what it means. Please help.
I have a girlfriend I wanna marry,we both qwathi..she is Nzolo and m Bangula..is the a wrong there?
Yeah you can marry each other
Molweni Maqwathi amahle, mna ndingu Vuyokazi Tshali ndikhule ndisithi xa ndizithutha ndingu Mamqwathi, udikela, kanoni ,katswbane, ndaze apha ekukhuleni ndadibana nomtnu wakulotata wathi kum ndingu mqwathi umbhangwe,dikela,noni, tswayibana ngoku ndiyabhideka xa kuthiwa umbhangwe ayingo dikele ithini nalento kanye- nkanye?
Mna ke ndingu Dikela ka Ntwsaybana ka nomatyala ka mndima udlinkowan’angayhlanzi unomakhungela uyongose umthetho ka mncobe iinkomo zka jojo zkamxesibe egqazindlelebheke bunguni unkonjane emnyama ibhabhemafini. UMqwathi ke ukutsho… Ndicela uNoni no Mtshaba bazithuthe n kwa Blangwe akhwele eqongeni
Ndim (Mr) Lungile Stemmer. Ndifuna ukwazi ukuzithutha. Isiduku sam nguMqwathi.
MaQwath’a Mahle, I need help. Ingaba ukhona ongandingcedisa ngokuzithutha for ifani yakwaStokwe? Ndingabulela kakhulu.
Athini ukuzithutha amablangwe
Amaqwathi la abuya kumfo ekuthiwa ngumtshutshumbe owayesuka emaxesibeni emount aylif,, lomfo wayenenkomo egama lingu qwathi, wayengumxesibe hayi umqwathi,, uthe xa efika phantsi komthembu umadiba wazibiza ukuba ungumqwathi,, avela apho ke amaqwathi sele esisizwe esaziwa ngamaqwathi,, ukohlukana ke kweziduko zamaqwathi kubangwa zizindlu ezandileyo phantsi kwendlu kamqwathi,, umtshutshumbe masithi uzala udikela, unoni, nontswayibana,, udikela uzala abakhe no noni uzala abakhe njalo njalo then amagama abantwana babo ajika abeziziduko thats why sizithutha ngokwahlukana..
SingamaXesibe sisuka eMount Alyff ngenxa yemfazwe sayokuma eNgcobo apho samkelwa ngama Ngcina ooTyhopho ooNonkwindla asinika indawo, lento ithi Qwathi yinkomo eyayimhlopho xa sithutha kwathi AmaQwathi ziinkomo zamaXesibe zika Jojo zika Mtshutshumba ooNgqazi iinkomo ezibeka ebuNgunini nguMthe kaNomtyala odla iNkonjane engayidlanga oomaQatha alikhuni ooNongqenqgelekile ooNkovane Dikela Noni Ntswayibane Sdindi ziiNkomo zika Noni. Zizindlu umntu akhethe indlela azibiza ngayo.
Bhotani mawethuj mna ndingu Unathi Pendu kodwa kuthiwa ndingu Phondoi kwabhu unobhala wase Home Affairs kwincwadi kakhokho wam ndingu Blangwe…ndithi xandizithutha NdinguMqwathi, uBlangwe, uNqarhe, uNzila, uMnyamane nditsho ndiphele apho kuba andisazi ukuya phambili uba sithini, naxandibuza amanye amaQwathi athi hayi ndiligweje andizazi yingxube vange yodwa lendiyibiza apha ” NdinguMqwathi, uBlangwe, uNqarhe, uNzila, uMnyamane”. so ndicela onalo ulwazi ngesi soBlangwe isiduko andincede ndiyafumaneka
Kwezinombolo 078 516 1046 nakule E-mail address unathipend2@gmail.com
molweni ndingu Athenkosi uMqwathi uNoni uDikela inye into endifuna ukuyazi yeyiphi kakuhle ifani yethu yokuqala ngoba eka tata ka tatomkhulu uMqwathi ibingu Zweni so andina sqiniseko kuba ndiva ifani ezohlukahlukeneyo zamaQwathi
nam ndiqinisekile ngezo kodwa oobhulangwe basaphanda ngehistory yabo bazo dibana nge23 September 2018 onke amabhulangwe
As I belong to Amagqwashu clan and I would like to know thoughroughly about us as Amagqwshu in general.
mna ndinguMqwathi wase Ladyfrere
u Dikela uNoni uNtswaybana imvetshan’ocandiziziba zoMbhashe inkonjan’emny’endandemafini iNdzolo
Ndinomdla kakhulu kwimbali kantu
ndicela nindicacisele ngangxambu nemvalaphi yamaqwathi ase ngcobo
Owu yheeke Khuselo, mQwath’ omhle kaDalasile.
Sihle kakhulu esi sicelo sakho. UbuDalasile, endibuqaphele kwaphaya kutata uZanengqele, sebusesinye sezisele eziyimihadi yokweyelisela imbali yamaQwathi xa kuthenjelwe ngalentoba ibubuDalasile qha.
Kungaphonongwanga ukuba obubuDalasile buyayazi na lento bebufanele ukuyazi ngobuQwathi.
Nditsho kuba izintshatshoba (flowers) zobuQwathi ngokuba bezinkosi.
Phofu inyaniso kaZanengele iyamthethelela kuba wayetshilo ukuba kwakukho utata onguDabisa, obelixhadi ngobuQwathi. Andazi noba wayesithi nguNkomiyaphi na isibizo salootata.
Ingozi yethu ngobuDalasile kukucinga ukuba bunolulwazi lulindelekileyo kubo
Uxolo kayise ngokuthetha oluhlobo nawe, kambe ke undincedile ngokubuza.
Sezikhona Mndwane iimpendulo kulombuzo wakho kwalapha, anditsho ukuthi zanele.
Ndibethwa lixesh…Library 45minutes
Ndicela ukwazi ngemvwlaphi yamaqwathi iskakhulu oblangwe
Baaayeeeeetheeeee Maqwathi
The only way to get to the bottom of this ukuya kwaStokwe emaQrwathini ebukhosini Scala,Lower Seplan am sure xa bekhupha incwadi zembali nizozifumana iimpendulo or kuMthingwevu ,the two families ooStokwe and the other family eku mthingwevu once had a dispute on who is the rightful owner of the throne, I believe the Stokwe family won because they still rule they might have the answers.
I would like to know the clan name of the siyeni family clan and know where they come from
Molweni Maqwathi. Mna ngegama ndingu Mphoyi Mphoyi. Ndicela umntu oyazi esi sduko sama Qwathi ngokuba ndisi yazi ka ncinci apho sithi: NDIKU MQWATHI uNONI, NCWAIBANI uDIKELA. engaba siphelela apho?? Kakho Ndicela umntu oyazi oTshotsho EC. Uta mkhulu uvela ngapho kodwa andazi uvela Ku lali eiphi, engathi uye Wa nyukula ngase free state ngo msebenzi nxa efika ngapha Wa chinchi fane ngenxa yokuba ama bulo abenga kwazi ulifunda okanye ulibala, wasibizu Mphoyi. Mna ndise Free State eBotshabelo. Cako
Maqwathi amahle umbuzo wam mnye jwii. Mna ndizazi ndingumqwathi isiduko sam kodwa phaa ekhaya kukho abantu abathi andinguye umqwathi ndinguBhulangwe. Ingaba ubhulangwe akanguye uMqwathi??? Ndingu TIKANA IFANI PHAA ECALA DOLOPHU RESEVER ILALI SIBUSISO IGAMA…
Mna ndingu Ayanda Langbooi ndingu mqwathi ,uDikela ,unoni untswaybane.ndingowase sterkspruit nge mvelo ,ndisebenza emthatha. Ndiyathanda uba nolwazi oluphanngalele ngamaqwathu akuthi ndicela nindincede .
I need your help sizwe zamaQwathinngubani uDumba uzalwa ngubani? Engubani uBangula? AMAQWATHI clan ininzi iconfusion
Udikela noni ntswaibana myamana isizukulu sika thishala
Mqwathi,Dumba, Khiwayo,Cwane,Makhwenkwe,Mbangula
Molweni ndifuna ukwazi aMavala azithutha njani mna ndiphela koo Dikela ooNoni ooNtswayibana
UTau, mfo, is Ndau = Mudau = Ndawo = Ndawu = BaTau = Mbatha/Mbathane = Mpanda = Mpande = ruling clan of the Zulus. Also, called Side or Tshidi (kubeXhosa who moved to North West, who had come from Zululand as Mthethwa/Xesibe and Qwabe/Nqetho/Kai/Gadi/Qwathi Zulus), Nsinde – this is the Zulu Royal House of King Dinizulu, great grandfather of current Zulu King, where my Mom grew up. The Zulu King comes from Solomon waseBeHlave or Bersabee or Beersheba or BeShaba or BeXava. ABeShaba bahlukene kabili, UJoel or Hawes = AmaNgwe = Ngcobo (Ngcobo is a big tribe amongst the Zulu Thembu which is the senior house of the Thembu, eQhudeni). The other house is Biya or Abia or Wabane or Habana. Both are heavily intermarried with each other and regarded as one. Their father is a Hlubi, called Samuel.
AmaNdawo amaningi anqwamana kuSoshangane wamaNdwandwe and inqwamano yamaXhosa or yamaGosa was the best place to find them as all African Nations are ruled by AmaNdawo. You see, uNdawo or Tau ngesintu is also = Tungwa or Tunga or Ndonga or Tonga = Dungwa or Dlungwa or Tlokwa or Dlongwa. That is why you will find Tlokwa kingdoms in deep KZN. I had a Tlokwa friend from the Royal family, quite high up, who told me that they are Zulus and they came from Harrismith and surrounding Hlubi areas of KwaZulu-Natal. Ndonga = Zwane (according to oMkhwanazi baseKZN). (UZwane wakwa Sibiya also is the mother tribe to Bhungane = Phungane, a progenitor of the Zulu) = Ndonga = Ndao = Yao = Ndyao = Nyawo = Nyawu = Lau = Lawu = Lawi = Lali = Layi = Malawi = Hawu = Hewu = Njeru = Jeru (as in Jerusalem) = Jehu – this is the same tribe and King Shaka’s name = Mlilwana. OMotaung babuye babizwe ngoMndaweni ngesiNguni (my Aunt works for a doctor who is Mndaweni and he speaks fluent Sotho and is from rural KZN eMondlo, Nquthu area) eKZN. There are lots of Suthus there like oMarawa (where Robert Marawa is from), Motloung = Mndlovu, Moloi = Baloi = Phalo = Phunga, Molefe (Imfe = Intswe = Imbe = uMpedi) = Msani = Bosia Sotho = Bosani = Posa/Poswa. AmaRawa or AmaLawu oQwabe, oLangeni lapho kuphuma khona isibongo esithi ZULU. Siphuma kuBeSuthu ababizwa ngoQwabe no Dube or Lovedu or Lobengula (a son of Mzilikazi).
Here is the difficulty on tracing which Ndau you are: there are 19 Ndau tribes spread all over the world. People forget the Zulu people living in Asia, Middle East and Americas – more than 300m in America alone, probably more in China and South Pacific and Phillipines and India. They came from Zulus in Sub Saharan Africa. They are named as follows, I will put their ancient names and Zulu/Nguni names next to it:
1. Amnon = AmaNoni – ancestor killed by Abishalom (Mabasa-Dlomu or Basa-Oromo) for raping his sister Thamar and wanting to marry her by force instead of asking for her in marriage properly from father Ndawonde/Dawuduna.
2. Daniel = Mthiyane or Mthania or Diale = AmaNdiya (these are black people and not the ones we call indian nowadays- the original indians were black.) Daniel also means Mntanenkosi. Ndwane-Nkosi or Nzwane-Nkosi.
3. Absalom – led a rebellion against father Ndawonde or Dawude or Dawuduna (Mgwaba or Mbhense or Gumbi or Mphezeni or Jele or Joel or Je or Tshe or Che or Mungwe)
Born to Bersabee or Besabi or BeHlambi or BeHlamve or BeDlambe (or BeDlamfe – name of a High School in my location, eSikhawini in deep Mthethwa or Zululand territory) or BeHlabe or BeSheba or Mpisiba or BaShaba – there were 2 Shaba people then Mungwe and Biya – amaNzamela or Jamela or Jaman or Jama or Samuel or Sambo-Nkosi or Sapo-Nkosi – again Mntanenkosi – they come from Biyela, Neri or Nkosi or Ngozi or Neli or Mweli or Mwosi or Musi:
4. Simaa – Sima or Simba or Ximba = Mandla or Matla or Matlala or Madlala (Or MaHALAla or AmHara – Ethiopia) or Mpangalala or Bakgatla or BakaDla – these are Tswanas and Sothos and South Coast to Xhosaland Zulus.
5. Sobab = Sobaba – emaZungeni also, = Jobab = Zungu clan that falls within the Nkosi clan – amaBhabha eMafini or Ifafa (South Coast KZN) or Isasa or amaSwati or Ashanti people of Africa = AmaHlahla = Mabaso or Mabasa or VhaHlengwe or Hlengwa or BaTau or BaTungwa bePhahla or S’phahla Phahla. Bazala UMhlanga or AmaNdebele oMhlanga onke. Or UShaka dynasty, where Shaka = Mhlanga.
6. Nathan – this is the tribe that Natal is named after. It is epitomized by the place where the Ngcobo people stay in Durban called Nanda or eNanda or KwaNanda. It is also written as Mbathane, especially amongst the Pedi Pai people of Botswana, North West, Mpumalanga and Limpompo and the Free State Suthus. It is also rendered Nathia or Nathela or Mathia or Mathania – this is the tribe that mixed with the Jama or Jamela to make the Senzangakhona that bore the Shaka, Mhlangana, Dingaan, Mpande tribes of the Zulus. They fall under Dosini and Ndosi or Ceila or Cele or Celani or Cerethi clan of the Zulus.
7. Solomon – this is the clan of the ruling Zulu Kings. I come from Dinizulu who bore Solomon. The Kings of Ethiopia under the Abyssinian Kings came from this line. Abyssinia = Mbense-Ngwe = Mpisi-Ngwane = MgwabaNani (KwabaNani) = Mpande = Biyela or Mambo-Nkosi-Ngwe clan of the Nguni. Mpande is the ruling clan of the Zulus who came from King Solomon or Phumuzuzulu or Maphumuzana ozalwa uBersheba or Behlamba or Bethlapha or Bethrapha or baThlaping or Bahlambi or Nhlambi or NHlave or Dlamfe or Hlambe or Dlambe people. Look up who gave birth to King Solomon of the Zulus. UZulu uphuma kwaNtombela or Tobia. UTobia washada noSarai or Swazi bathola izizwana lesi esizibiza ngoZulu. Phezulu naphambili sibale oMazibuko.
8. Saphatias = Shabathi or Nhlabathi – eMahlabathini, ngasoLundi ila kuphuma khona abakwaMagwaza and uZulu lo ozala my line of peeps. eBantwaneni beNkosi uDinizulu ila kuphuma khona lemizi. UNhlabathi UMlabo owelwa zinkonjane zeZulu kuphela. eZimbabwe babizwa ngamaZezuru – la kuzalwa khona uMugabe. KubeXhosa babizwa ngamaRharhabe, la kuphethe khona udadewabo weNkosi uZwelithini. UMuzi wakwaZwane ngoDinizulu – abantwana ngoDinizulu uqobo lwakhe noba ashonela eMpumalanga Province, engalubhadanga eKZN. Walushiya uzalo lwakhe khona lapho yakhula iMpumalanga yagwala amaNgwe. Umama wakhe kwakungu-Abital or Maphitha or Maphaita lo ozala amaThole or oSithole or Mondise/Modise then uJobe ozala amaThole or amaTheku or amaNdeku.
9. Adonias or Adonani or Adongwe or Tlokwe or Hlongwe or Hlongo (like the Herero in Namibia). Barolong Sothos Bonke abantu bakwaMhlongo abazalwa amaBhemba or amaPhemba ayephathwa oMthimkhulu or Chithimukulu as they say in Zambia. Bazalwa oSabela basemaGadini or Qwathini ababizwa ngoAggith or Haggith or Hagwithi = Bankwinti = Bangidi = BaGwili = Bagwi = Biya = Bangethe = Bangele = Bangwe = Hangwe = VaNambya (Zimbabwe) = Mbonambi (KZN) = Mnambithi (Hlubingwe of North-western KZN close to Free State).
10. Jethrahem or Jethraam = Gedlale = Gesela = Joel/Joe/Tshe/Nxe + Thra/Dla/Dra/Sa/Sha + he/le/ne = Nxedlane = Getlali = JeHlali = Jelali = Jelinga = Josai. Mother is Egla or Egala = Ngala = Manala.
The above were born in Hebron.
The next 9 were born in Jerusalem (pronounced Lawushalem or LawuZelemu in medieval Hebrew which is similar to true Nguni ayilento esikhuluma manje – King Zwelithini has a son called Njeru = Lawu = Lawa = Mlilo = Lala = Langa):
11. Jebaar = Jemba = Jemai = Jiba = Ziba = Tiba = Tuba (as in Mtubatuba, the place of abaYeni or aBengani = AbeNgwane in KwaMthethwa, KwaZulu). The Kituba people live in Kikongo, Angola and DRC, where some people who live in South Africa used to rule)
12. Elisama – Ismael whose people killed Godolias or Godongwane were from this clan – Eli = Kosi/Nkosi or Osi or Hosi. Can also be written as Samael = Samankosi = Samolasi = Sambolasi = SaMbulazi
13. Eliphaleth = Phaletheli = Phaletkosi = Mbalenkosi or Nkosi-Mbale. The Mbale people are progenitors of the Zulu people. Bagcwele eBusuthu. oMaphale or Mbali = OMoloi and oMoloi = Phalo wamaGcaleka thina esimubiza ngoPhunga or Bhunga or Buka. The word Kimberley and Kimbali or iMbali means the same thing. That is why in Kimbali you will find Zulu people who speak Setswana but who last lived in Eastern Cape, Xhosaland.
14. Noge – anyone remember Dosto Noge or the Nogemane of the Mpondo people. Nogemane unguMntungwa ngokwakhe – inkosi ngokuzalwa, uMntungwa uZwane or UMntwana uqobo lwakhe. UNoge uyafana noNeo (Sipho or Mpho) or Nelo or Ngelo or Kelo = Kone = Ngone.
15. Nepheg = Mbeki = Mbile = Nyembe = Nlephe = Lembe
16. Japhia = Japhan/Japan = Jabia = Jabani = Jigaba = Gigaba = Jagabi = Langabi = Mgabhi (eNgcobo uMgabhi uyabalwa)
17. Elisama again
18. Eliada = Nkosiyada = Nkosi-Nyanda.
19. Elipheleth = Nkosi-Phelethi = Nkosi-Bhele.
LamaKhosi abusa eJerusalema, UDawude/Ndawonde, that is how David is spelt in medieval Hebrew, esebusa eSilo, esigodlweni sakhe esikhulu, inqaba eyangemelwe amaLali or amaLawi ngaphandle in the rurals, kube inqaba or fort from which you could see on all sides and then his personal army. These are the 18 sons of King David of the Zulus or Heberew or Hembele.
Absalom was born to Maacha, daughter of Tolmai, King of Gessur. He was half Amorite and half Hebrew, I think. Simubiza ngoMdolomba (or Drogba) or Cebekhulu, lo ozala oMkhwanazi or Vanwa’Nathi or Gcaleka. Maacha = Mwacha or Malacha = Malanga = Malala = Manganga = Mangala = Ngala = Dlomu = Ndlovu = Domo = Somo = Hlomu = Hlomvu = Oromo.
Please excuse the error above, only Solomon, Simaa, Sobab and Nathan came from Besarbee.
Hi guys cela umntu andinabele ngo blangwe
I need to know my roots of my clan Amaqwathi Dikela where we come from as Xesibe people or can print and publish books to keep our clan for our grandchildren’s keep in library or arts and culture
There is a book by Mlungisi Ndima about the history of AmaQwathi!!…I’ve got the book’s Pdf format.
Can I please have a copy of that book. My email is zintle.d.moya@gmail.com
Camagu makube chosi kubeheke kudede ubumnyana kuvele ukukhanya. Ndiyabulisa zithwala ndwe zakowethu Ndingu Mqwathi uDikela untswayibane Noni. Ndizalwa yintombi yaseMangwevini uMasikhomo rhuduli umhlatyane
Camagu makube chosi kubeheke kudede ubumnyana kuvele ukukhanya. Ndiyabulisa zithwala ndwe zakowethu Ndingu Mqwathi uDikela untswayibane Noni. Ndizalwa yintombi yaseMangwevini uMasikhomo rhuduli umhlatyane
Molweni manene. Ndingu (mqwathi unoni ntswayibani dikela.) Ndicelu mntu oyazi esiduko sama QWATHI siphelele ngokuba mna ndisiyazi apho net diyacela
Molweni manene. Ndingu (mqwathi unoni ntswayibani dikela.) Ndicelu mntu oyazi esiduko sama QWATHI siphelele ngokuba mna ndisiyazi apho net diyacela
Molo Mphoyi, kunjani, mna nxa nizithuta nidithi Ndingu mqwathi ublangwe unoni unntswayiban udikela unyawu zinodaka ndiphelela apho
Ndicela ukubuza ingaba ukhona umntu owaziyo ngembali yamaBhulangwe.ukuba ayesukaphi imvelaphi yawo
Molweni, ndicela uncedo. Ndisandukufumanisa ukuba ndinguMqwathi, uNdzila, Mpemba, Nyamani, Mashaya…. Ingaba ndizithutha kakuhle na? Ndizamana nokufumanisa i ancestry yami.
According to Mlungisi Mdima’s book, AmaMvala, were stock heir of Ntswayibana.
Molweni Maqwathi bendicela khe nyani umntu xa enayo imbali kwi research yakhe asinabisele kakuhle ngoba sibaninzi nyani kwesisqwathi nam ndinguye lo wakwa Dywili siphuma eNcorha eCofimvaba but akade abekhona umntu osicaciselayo nyani ngaphandle kokusebenzisa izibongo awayezive ngotata wakhe naye engazange wenza phando lupheleleyo ngesiqwathi for example mna ndakhula owam utata esithi asizalani tuu noo Blangwe nooBangula even naxa bezithutha abafanelanga basebenzise oodikela noo Noni as ba nathi singabafaki oo(fola,mnyamana,nqarhi xa sizithutha) singooDikela but ekukhuleni naseluhambeni ndifumanisa sekudityaniswa yonke into ethi Mqwathi.Mna ndingu Luyanda ka Dywili
yi confusion.
Isiduko
I sizwe samaxhosa
Mholo Luyanda Dywili.
Ayiyo ‘confusion’. Kukho into enoba wayekwahlulela yona utatakho. Inoba ke naye zange ayiphelelise iphelele inkaza yakhe. Okanye nguwe ove isinqam kulantetho yakhe.
2024 ngoku andizuqalela. Sezikhona iindawo zicacisiweyo kwalapha. Ngobukhulu besizwekazi samaQwathi nokwahluka-hlukana kwezindlu zaso, esezizizizwe ezikhulu kwazona ezozindlu.
Kwisithuba sonyaka 1881 Engcobo Qutubeni kwaye kwaxhelwa inkabi yenkomo emdaka, kwayilwa isiqalo esitsha sokuba izindlu zamaQwathi mazendiselane. Kuba bemnkile abanye abafazi kwimfazwe ka1880. Eyona ngxaki yayikukuba kungavunywa nabo ngalomawabo athile ezinye izizwe ezazisetyenziswa nguRhulumente wophuco mihlaba yamaAfrika.
AmaQwathi ayethinjelwe umhlaba nenkomo, atshiselwa namasimi. Kwalula ukuba avuyeleleke. Kwathi kuba eziingqondi, ababhida abathakathi nempundulwana zabo.
Molweni MaQwati. Mna ndiMvala, Dikela, Yongose, Noni, Ntswayibana. Ndicela ukubuza ukuba ingaba ubu Qwati obu sisiduko okanye sisizwe. Okwesibini, ngokuya siphuma eMt Ayliff, emaXesibeni saphuma singumntu omnye na okanye saphuma siziziduko ezohlukeneyo qha ke sadityaniswa yinkomo enguMqwati? makhe ndiphulaphule ke…
Ndingumamqwthi ubangula unoni udikela untswabani ndiqamuka eFrestata
Mholo Mlu.
Misumzi says:
June 2, 2022 at 12:01 am
“ndicela umntu owazi-nzulu ngobuThembu ake athi ukhona umThembu omnye ongazalwa nguThembu. Ndifuna ukukhangela ukuba u “Homogeneous” lo ukude kangakanani na apha ebaThenjini. Ndifuna lonto qha. Phaya kumaQwathi libutho zisuka nje ayingo “Homogenous”. Ndiyilindele neyokuba lana akhoyo amaQwathi nalawo asembalini angake axelwe engakaMtshutshumba wonke kuba nombhali wembali yamaQwathi eyiThesis uchaphazela ukufa kwawo ngokumandla zezamfazwe. Ukufa kwamahlelo angazalwanga nguMtshutshumba nabefanele kungena kuqala kakade ezimfazweni akutshintsheli maQwathi kuHomog…”
UbuQwathi kukuTHI QWA! Ligama lenkomi elisisicabelo sokuvutshwa/ukukhula ngokwasengqwondweni. Libutho njengomkhosi wesizwe somZantsi Afrika xa unokuphuma uyokuzinzisa inkxolazwe kwamanye amazwe, ungebuyi usese ube sisizwe samakhalipha ezindlu ezahlukeneyo zenzala kaXesibe onguSouth Africa kulo mzekelo wam we SANDF.
Njengenxalenye ymaXesibe esizalo, amaQwathi azalwa nguXesibe, Angumxube wenzala enye. Akazalwa nguMtshutshumba, kuye azizinto ezimbini: awazeleyo ayinzala, angawazelanga angabalandeli. Xa ewonke antonye; yinzala kaMtshutshuma. kuba nasecaweni inkokheli inewonga elifana nelomzali wabanye. Ezinye iinkokheli zide zithi bantwana bam, basabele abalandeli bazo besithi mama (mhe) tata (bawo/baba).
NdisengumTshetshi mna. Sinabo ooFather phaya ebandleni. Iinkcubeko andingegqibi ukuzichuba ndimncinci nam. Uxolo ukuba nangale sendiyibalisile, kuthi kanti ndinixokisile, mhlawumbi ngokungachani kwayo.
Wena uthini, ukuphendula lemibuzo yakho?
Enkosi
Can you kindly send ne the book my email address is lindiwef@midvaal.gov.za
can you please send me the book,
Isiduko ngiqamuka eFrestata
I want a splanation of amaqwathi
in the Xhosa
I want to know about my clan further (oblangwe) when they praise themselves thank you
My name is Simthembile Nicolus Fuzani From Mosselbay I want to know about amaqwathi Oobhose
Hi please I need more info with the Mkroni surname please
Ndicela ukwazi ngaMaQwathi aMabangula ukuba sivelaphi ingcambuyethu ngobandibona maninzi kwela laseHedhele naSeLigwa?!
Ndicela ubuza ngemvelaphi yamaQwathi nenzalo yabo baphumaphi bazaowa zintombi zamani
Ndicela ukwazi aseNgcobo
Amaqwathi, OoDikela, Oononi, Oontswayibana…
Ifani yawo ngoPiyose,ndikhulele eGoli ndifuna imvelaphi yam.
Can you please help me with isilo saMagqwathi ooMbangula
Please help me find the birthday and dead Day of king gemani alfred rasmeni.
Mholweni emaqwathini ndicela ubuza xa wenza umsebenzi wokungxengxeza okanye wokucela wenziwa njani
Ndingu khaya sizani umamqwathi
AmaQwathi are meeting for ceremony as from 20th – 27 September 2021 eNgcobo.
AmaQwath Dumba kaNobangula Ncwane Hlasela Mabengentsikeni ….
Kubonakele ukuba liyaphumelela iyelenqana labeLungu lobungcali bokuqhusheka umQwathi phantsi kwababezifake ngokwabo ephikweni
lomQwathi. Ndiva uSteve Nyathela esithi, “Chief Sakhela even Fubu Lutshaba ,MNTSHABA ,MLILO LANGA all of them wre installed and
inuagurated by Thembu King”, abe engenakuba nabungqina ngoFubu nangoLutshabe nangoNtshaba, ‘installed and inuagurated by Thembu
King’. Kulembali kaSteve eyile, “Thembile dont confuse people ,there is no Qwathi and they will be never be one ,Amaxesibe popular known as Amqwathi were assimilated to Thembus hence on their arrival they paid a busa cattle to King Mngudi .Mngudi in return sent his righ hand house Chief Mphose sebeni ka Mngxongo to stay with the new clan not a nation.Let me help you in case you cannot diffferentiate between caln and nation ,Clan is homogenius and consist of its own family tree like Amqwathi with its own small houses .A nation is composed of dufferent clans coming together under the rule of one powerful which preside over in terms of Kingship .Amaqwathi never assimilated any clan under its rule and never douted that they under Thembu rule .Qwathis even by customs and heritage are Thembus hence Chief Sakhela even Fubu Lutshaba ,MNTSHABA ,MLILO LANGA all of them wre installed and inuagurated by Thembu King .Imagine within Engcobo there Thembu chief who falls under Dalindyebo house then you have a small clan claimimng to be a kingdom over few vlllages what a joke .Ndlela himself was under the rule of King Ngangelizwe when they went to war withouth king perimission they were fined each some cattle together with Gecelo .The Xhosa land known as Comfimvaba after whites handed it over to Queen Nonesi wife of King Ngubengcuka of Abethembu after Nonesi remain nuetral in a war between sarhili of Amaxhosa .Nonesi hand the land to Gecelo,Sithokwe and Matanzim .This is to show you that Thembus are kings above minor clans such as QWATHI”
kutyholwa amaQwathi ngobuHomogeneous ekubeni ibutho or um-butho okwizinga lokuphuma usiyokulwela izinto ezixake izizwe ngezizwe, ungasoze ube nzala-nye(homogeneous). Le yelalana ezim-balwa zamaQwathi aphEngcobo yinyaniso, isuka kwakulento yokuthotywa kwawo. Kwaatyalwa abangemaQwathi baze banikwa nobukhosi kwiindawo zamaQwathi ukuze kubenje. Kwaye abaThembu babenikwe uMthatha suke beza eRhoda bebaleka amaZulu namaBhaca bezimela ngomQwathi
On behalf of all readers, ndiyabulela ngale mbali usipha yona Tata. Camagu
Ndiyayithanda lembali yomntakwethu uSteve Nyathela neyamanye amaAfrika akowethu indinika ithuba lokuphethula ngabula-belusi, ukuphokoza nokuphaka. LindileM says: “Thembile Stokwe ise ivunywe phaya Engcobo kudlunkulu le nto yokuba sizii nkosi not Kings kwisizathusokuba safika sacela umhlaba ku kumkani u Dlomo wabaThembu desimane ikhupha ne rent annually to the guy” Thembile Stokwe says: “Lindi, i was referring to our fundamental status before we met the Thembu, Mtshutshumbi founded a nation not a clan for clans existed in it though it was small it was a nation, and if we admit that it was a nation we admit that it should be ruled by a king. i was fed our history by first hand.But thanks for making me think again!”
Blangwe Mphambaniso says: “You must remember that even though were have our own nation we belong/are attached to Abathembu Clan which is not our own but we are adopted to abathembu being amampondo as original therefore we can not be the King over abathembu not unless we would have have defeated then in a war to take over the abathembu clan and in that way we would have taken over the Kingship of abathembu there is only one Kink in each clan and there is a clear distinction between a tribe and a clan,we are not a clan but a tribe therefore we can not have a King to be a King you have to be appointed under the clan or you can fight to take over. Kunjalo ke Mqwathi!”.
LindileM, kayise ixhomekeka ukuba ubuze kubani, “phaya Engcobo kudlunkulu” kuba unkosi uZwelakhe uke wakhulela kwaTitus eMthatha xa wayefunda uUNITRA (WSU) egcinwe ngumQwathi uDikela oyinzala kaMcDonald ozalwa nguNomtu intombi kaThomas Ntshacile wasekunene kukaPoswayo. LoNtsahcile ngulo wangcatsha amaQwathi susela ngo1879 baze abeLungu bambhasela ngokumnika ubukhosi bamaQwathi athe akububuyisela kumaQwathi kuba ewoyika washiyelela kuyeNtshacile ububonda baseAll Saints. Utat’ uTitus ubeba sisithethi sakwaNtshacile kwezobubonda. Ndicinguba mna awenzi lahlekiso, “phaya Engcobo kudlunkulu”, nyani kuvunywa phantsi kweemeko ezinjengale sendiyixelile. Ayolahleko inkulu ukonakala kwentloko yeprayima stovu. Kufuneka nje iplikha, iphinde ilunge intloko ingatshintshwanga nokutshintshwa oku.
2) LoDlomo umxelayo (uba mnye phofu uDlomo) ulwe nomntakwabo eMsana ngobukhosi kwanceda amaQwathi ebesekugqibela wona kwimicimbi yabaThembu hayi le vice versa ithethwayo.
3) “rent annually to the guy” Lerenti uyitshoyo kukusingathwa kweembedlenge ngalamaNoni athotywayo ngoku. Bezilwelwa imbedlenge zemfazwe, zondliwe nangeenkomo qho ezesisu
…zondljwe nangeenkomo qho ezesisu iimbedlenge ( helpless but valuable people). Mandixolise ndiyayazi intethwana yam irhabaxa. Inokumoyikisa umntu kanti ngoyena ebezothetha ndilungiseke nam kwezam iimpazamo. Enye indawana anditsho ukuthi amaQwathi kwakufanele abunikwe ubukumnkani. Obezizizwe zibunikiweyo buphantsi kwesebe likaRhulumente omkhulu welizwe. Zona iikumnkani zisenokubakho kwizindlu zowiso-mthetho zamaPhondo okanye nalapho zimelwe ngumphathiswa. Ingathi kum buhloniphekile obu bamaQwathi ngokungabikho bube buhlonitshwa nembali yabo ngamaQwathini, abanikazi abafanelekileyo.
Uth’ uSteve, “Amaqwathi never assimilated any clan under its rule and never douted that they under Thembu rule”. AmaQwathi ayazazi imvelaphi nominombo yawo ahluke nangalonto kubaThembu athe uS E K Mqhayi esawuxakwa engazi mnombo wancamela ekuxomezeleleni lowo mfitshanana wasemaZimeni ewuhlomela emantloko walowo ukwasisijungqu wakwaDlomo. Otat’ uNgangomhlaba Mathanziba bebezinkonde eziseza isizwe sabaThembu lootyhefu. Buza ooMadiba obaziyo namaNdungwane namaQiyha namaNgxongo ukuba babeke beva na kumawabo kunqulwa de kufakwe uCeduma noba nguBhomoyi enkxotsheni nasemaxhantini na? Ukuba bayandingqinela uze wazi ukuba yimposo efakwe ngabom kusetyenziswa isikolo, ingekuba isikolo asilunganga. AbaThwa, abaThembu, amaGcina, amaBhaca amaRharhabe namaZulu zezinye zezizwe engeziphantsi kwamaQwathi ukuba aye “assimilate…” ukonelisa uSteve. Koko ayeNona (provide) esakha nesizwe esi besizolwa nawo saze soyiswa. Iingxwelerha zotshaba bezinyangwa zixolelwe, izidumbu zotshaba zangcwatywa ngembeko ngamaQwathi. Hambobuza kuloThandisizwe Diko ngezidumbu sikaMadzikane, Sesiwe, nooMatomane. Uyobuza eCiskei ngelalana yasEngcwabeni esEngcobo apho angcwatyelwe khona uRharhabe noMlawu owakhothama eLuhewini Engcobo. UShaka woyike sefikile Engcobo, wajika enze isinqumo (isifungo) kumhlaba ekuthiwa kuseSinqumeni Engcobo. Yoyiswa yomibini imikhosi awayithumela emaXesibeni nasemaQwathini ababizwa Thembu ngabababhali bolawulo lophuco. Nhaye Shaka mhla wahlasela amaQwathi wafa ngomkhonto weqela lakhe njengoMadzikane. Ukuqhekeka kwendlu kaNguni uXhosa (Xosha) egxotsha indlu encinci ngezokhweleto kuba isisiThembu kwalamla ukufika kukaMtshutshumba sele begudle ulwandle abesiThembu bengenayo kwanto yohluthekayo. Baanikwa ukhuseleko nendyebo yeenkomo susela oko. UMnguti obeselulawulweni walushiya nelolwandle abeligudlile wagudla amaQwathi, “assimilated”, kuba exhamla ukhuseleko nezipho ngokufanayo nabaThwa abenjenjalo nabo.
“never douted that they under Thembu rule”. Ungafunda imbali yobukumnkani bukatat’ uKaizer Daliwonga Matanzima undixelele ukuba bekungathotywa bukumnkani obukhokelwa kwaMthikrakra kusini na. LoMthikrakra ngokamamQwathi kodwa inzala yakhe isetyenzisiwe ukuthoba amaQwathi ithunywa ngabeLungu. Ububele (ubuNoni) bamaQwathi buwarhintyele kuba abelezele izifede ezinobunkamela. UmLungu usebenzise obubuntu bomQwathi emntlithisa ngee, “assimilated”, zomQwathi. Ezi, “assimilated”, ziyifumene kanje inxalenye yEngcobo eyi24 yeelali kweziyi 64 zizonke. UNdaba, engekabi nguyise kaNgubengcuka, wabhacela emaQwathini awagudlileyo esoyika uRharhabe. Akukhothama uRharhabe, uNdaba owayengxwelerhekile ukwazile ukuzala unyana. Wathiywa ngamaQwathi lonyana elithi Vusani (ubukhosi benu baThembu). Elobudala waba nguNgubengcuka. LoNgubengcuka xa ena40 yeminyaka ezele ubulewe ngomnye umThembu, abeLungu balisebenzisa kakhulu elothuba lobuwokowoko kobobukhosi babaThembu. Banyusela ubuThembu nobuMfengu kuba bulawuleka nto leyo izobenza balawule ubuQwathi obungqingqwa ngobubuThembu buwokowokwana. Emva koNgubengcuka obhalwa njengeKumnkani yamaQwathi kulawule uMthikrakra ekubaba yena ebesegoxukile waya eMthatha apho bawagudle bekhona amaQwathi. AbeLungu babuyisele uSilimela ekomkhulu lamaQwathi eMgwali (Clarkebury) ngenjongo yokukhubaza ubukhosi bakwaFubu. Lide lashenxa apho Emjanyane ikomkhulu lamaQwathi uDalasile edeleleka wazoxoxela kwesinye sezagobe zentaba kaSatan Engcobo kwaSdindi. Labhanga njalo ibango lamaQwathi kowawokhulu, kwamila elabaThembu oku kweqhakuva elintshula esidleleni sakho kanti alizikhulisi, sisifanyana esingumLungu esinifikeleyo. Endaweni yokutsweba iqhakuva eli kungezunceda nto, uDalasile watshintsha isikhundla seengxoxo. AmaJumba (Mgudlwa) wona ayesoyika amaMpondomise wabe uMgudlwa engunyana kamamQwathi, wanikwa iQhumanco ngumzala wakhe onguDalasile ( eNona).
Homework baThembu: ndicela umntu owazi-nzulu ngobuThembu ake athi ukhona umThembu omnye ongazalwa nguThembu. Ndifuna ukukhangela ukuba u “Homogeneous” lo ukude kangakanani na apha ebaThenjini. Ndifuna lonto qha. Phaya kumaQwathi libutho zisuka nje ayingo “Homogenous”. Ndiyilindele neyokuba lana akhoyo amaQwathi nalawo asembalini angake axelwe engakaMtshutshumba wonke kuba nombhali wembali yamaQwathi eyiThesis uchaphazela ukufa kwawo ngokumandla zezamfazwe. Ukufa kwamahlelo angazalwanga nguMtshutshumba nabefanele kungena kuqala kakade ezimfazweni akutshintsheli maQwathi kuHomog…
“The Xhosa land known as Comfimvaba after whites handed it over to Queen Nonesi wife of King Ngubengcuka of Abethembu after Nonesi remain nuetral in a war between sarhili of Amaxhosa”. Steve uzanayo kakuhle mntakwethu kuba uSarhili ubulawelwe uyise uHintsa ngo1835. Ngo1877-8 woxuthelwa umhlaba ngabeLungu eyekelwe luninzi kwababeNguni bakowabo bangabaThembu. Buzelwe kokokuyekela kooNonesi obubukumnkani basebaThenjini nobunye ke. Kuzalwa yilonto ukuthotywa kwamaQwathi kuba ede adliwa ngabeLungu ngokungancedisi nawuphi na emfazweni kaNgcayechibi eqale ngoMxoli wakuloSarhili namaMfengu ancediswe ngabeLungu. UDalasile wayeneutral (engathathi cala) ukuba uNonesi wayeneutral kutheni usithi wavuzwa ngeCofimvaba ekubeni uDalasile edlelwe ubuneutral. Ngo1878 uDalasile ulwile neetshomi zakhe (amaGcaleka) kwaze ekungeneni kwamaQwathi encedisa amaMfengu asencediswa kakade ngabeLungu, zange abe nakuxhathisa amaGcaleka. Kaloku nguMndwane kaMtshutshumba owayelamla abeNguni kwezemihlaba eliXesibe. Obubukumnkani nobukhosi buqulunqwe ngokutsha esithebeni somLungu ayibubo obemveli, kuphela nje bucwanye esikhundleni sobuya bemveli. AmaQwathi makangabi namnqweno wabukumnkani kuba bunika isidima nokuba buhlawula ekubeni uDalasile wayeyichasile imali eza ngokunikeza ngobuzwe ukuze uvuzelwe lonto. Kunjengokuba iinkulu zamaNcobe ezingamaNkovane azifanele kufuna bukhosi buphezulu kobomNtshaba emaQwathini. NguNtshaba uTyhalibekh’ onedevu-inkunz’ emnyama yakuBholobholo, abayikhuz’ ukuhlaba ingekahlabi. Nguye nezenzo zakhe ezihle zooFubu nooDalasile
…NguNtshaba nezenzo zakhe ezihle zooFubu nooDalasile. Njengoba inguSdindi inkulu kaNoni (uNoni noyise uMthetho zinci, iinkulu nguNtswayibana noyise uNkovane) akafanele kufuna bunganga kunamaNtshaba amaSdindi kuba uSdindi wathi enikwa ubukhosi nguNoni owayesaphila. USdindi watsolo ngengqondo efuna kunikwe uDikela kuba ingowomkhuluwa kaNoni. UNoni wabunika uNtshaba omnci kuSdindi, kunina noyise. UNoni njengekhangala wasese wabutywinela (wabutxhixela) apha kwakhe ubukhosi ngokudala izindlu. UNtshaba esisiqu waba nguNdlunkulu, uXhiya onezimvo zikaSdindi wakuKunene. UNtondo waliQadi lendlu enkulu ukuze isilunga ibe nguNtondo emva koNtshaba. Waaba ngumkhuluwe kaSdindi uNtshaba ngokobulunga kuba waqajwa, waphawulwa, wabelwa ebukhulwini. Ngokuzalwa uNtshaba ngumninawe kuSdindi.
“Mngudi in return sent his righ hand house Chief Mphose sebeni ka Mngxongo to stay with the new clan not a nation”. Njengoba sendiyivezile imbali kaNdaba ebalekele emaQwathini, bekuhlala-hlale kubenjalo. AmaNgxongo akekho mhla amaQwathi ancancambelwe ngabaThembu ukuvela kulangcutheko babekuyo yangaselwandle. Boonke ooNgxongo, nooHlanga, nooNdungwana, nooZima nooDlomo nabanye abakazalwa. Ligcuntswana labaThembu lilandela ibutho lamaQwathi. Aba bazohlala namaQwathi ngabantu bam-va abohlulwe luchuku labo ebaThenjini. Kwintswelo ababenayo bade baziwa ngeentwala (ozaziyo iintwala uyalwzi nochuku lomntu onazi nendlala emtyayo). UmLungu (andimzondi) uthathe lomathuba ke. AmaNtsundu la (engewodwanga kulonto) asondele kumaQwathi kuba esoyiswa ngabaninawe bawo. Uxolo ke andifuni kuthetha nto ininzi ngalendawo neyamaQiyha nezinye.
Endiyithethayo kukuba; ikulento yokungathelekeleli (estimate) uludwe (list) yezizukulwana ubone ukuba uMnguti noSebeni kufanele ukuba baqelelene kangakanani ngeminyaka. Ndiyakuxolela kuba neengwevu zifakele amaCeduma emantloko omnombo wabaThembu. Kule ndizidla ngayo imbali ndincedwe kwangabeLungu namaMfengu ikakhulu. Ndasekela ngolwazi lwasekhaya, ndakwazi ukuyikhaba enye nenye kwezi zintle beze nazo. Andibagxeki abeLungu, bubuqhawe kowabo lento bayenzileyo. Kwakhu ixesha. Undibuzi REFERENCE uba uyayifuna.
“Kwaatyalwa abangemaQwathi baze banikwa nobukhosi kwiindawo zamaQwathi ukuze kubenje” kuthotyiselwe amaQwathi kuba engavumi ukuba iAfrika ithinjwe ngabaphuci(Colonialists) nangabacaluli(Apartheidsts). misumzi says:
June 3, 2022 “Obubukumnkani nobukhosi buqulunqwe ngokutsha esithebeni somLungu ayibubo obemveli, kuphela nje bucwanye esikhundleni sobuya bemveli…uDalasile wayeyichasile imali eza ngokunikeza ngobuzwe ukuze uvuzelwe lonto”. Khanifunde ne White-Paper-On-Traditional-Governance izonilandisela ukulungiswa kobubukhosi bukhoyo busekwe ngabeLungu. Nive kuSydney Mufamadi osayinileyo malunga neReference. Zenikhangele nokuba wayeke wangukumnkani na umntu ontsundu kulaRhulumente wabamhlophe.
Nge 2June2022 kutshiwo nguMisumzi ukuba,
“Lide lashenxa apho Emjanyane ikomkhulu lamaQwathi uDalasile edeleleka wazoxoxela kwesinye sezagobe zentaba kaSatan Engcobo kwaSdindi”
Ibiyimpinda yezolo okukudeleleka.
Nge 3June2022 uMisumzi owayesithi “…NguNtshaba nezenzo zakhe ezihle zooFubu nooDalasile. Njengoba inguSdindi inkulu kaNoni (uNoni noyise uMthetho zinci, iinkulu nguNtswayibana noyise uNkovane) akafanele kufuna bunganga kunamaNtshaba amaSdindi kuba uSdindi wathi enikwa ubukhosi nguNoni owayesaphila. USdindi watsolo ngengqondo efuna kunikwe uDikela kuba ingowomkhuluwa kaNoni. UNoni wabunika uNtshaba omnci kuSdindi, kunina noyise. UNoni njengekhangala wasese wabutywinela (wabutxhixela) apha kwakhe ubukhosi ngokudala izindlu. UNtshaba esisiqu waba nguNdlunkulu, uXhiya onezimvo zikaSdindi wakuKunene. UNtondo waliQadi lendlu enkulu ukuze isilunga ibe nguNtondo emva koNtshaba. Waaba ngumkhuluwe kaSdindi uNtshaba ngokobulunga kuba waqajwa, waphawulwa, wabelwa ebukhulwini. Ngokuzalwa uNtshaba ngumninawe kuSdindi”.
Etshilo uMisumzi, uyishiyelele indawana ekhoyo embalini yootat’ uMlungisi Ndima, Matiwane etc ethi. USdindi akuziva edelelekile kwezitwana zingabaninawe bakhe zifakwe ebundlwini-nkulu ezingooNtshaba & Ntondo: USidindi waye wazekela uyise esithi ndizalele abaninawe ndindodwa
Ngicela ukwazi ngendabuko nomlando wamaQwathi
Vuyo Mfula says:
January 27, 2016 at 5:59 am
Kukho incwadi (Thesis) ebhalwe ngu Mlungisi Ndima- A history of the Qwathis from earliest times to 1910. Ifumaneka e Rhodes University. Kuyafuneka umntu ayifunde ukuba ufuna imbali epheleleyo neyenza ukuba AmaQwathi la abe sisizwe esidumileyo. Umbhali ubalisa ngophando awalwenzayo kumanyange aseMaqwathini.
Ewe noxa ikuluhle lwenkcukacha ezabhalwa-zasasazeka kudala (1988). Inamakhwiniba amaninzi nanzulu nayo njengezinye. Ngokokwam imbali engcono kuneziNdima (utat’ uMlungisi), noJohn Henderson Soga, mhlawumbi noSihele ongabaThembu (andikamfundi) ikwayile isadityaniswa ngamaQwathi kwabaWhatsapp (Hlanganani maQwathi, Sizukulu sikaMtshutshumbe, nezinje).
Ndikwazisa neetshatshalaza zemboniswano nje asikuko nokuba andazi ukuba akulunganga ukwenjenjalo. Koko sekurhaneleka ukuba bakhona abangengomaQwathi abathe ngce iindlebe, phuhlu namehlo ngokungavumelekanga. Kulemeko, intetho ethi, “emaseleli” (amasela) ifanela abaNdabeni bangene iindaba zamaQwathi, hayi nangandlela.
Phaya kudala u, “emaseleni” wayefanela izizwe ezingengomaQwathi. Ezinje ngamaNgesi nabamhlophe (page87 volume1 Stanford’s Reminiscences) nezifologu (followers) zabo ezimnyama. Nezinje ngooMagwala (Thembu), ooBeja (Xhosa), Yonco (wayem-bi engenawuba ngumQwathi). Nesela leendaba uNtshacile (Xaba) elalithenjwe ngokuthuthela umLungu “to keep him informed” ngeemfihlo zamaQwathi. Lamasela wonke ayesondelelene noWalter Stanford eli linguYonco likwazi nokuthi kuWStanford, I am your thief my chief”.
ElaseMthatha elilijoni likaWStanford, labonwa ngomny’ umLungu liqhuba inkomo lisiya ngasemthatha, lamkholisa loomLungu ngokuthi, eza nkomo zobusela, “belong to the great chief”. “Ndabeni”.
Naye ke uWalter Stanford unezinto angazivezanga, kwanezo aziveze ngendlela ephambukileyo. Umzekelo umhlaba obuye wanedolophu yasEngcobo uthi wawuhlalwa ngumQwathi uMfundisi. Ingekuba wayengenakuhlala, intenayo uMxuthu ongoyena waziwa ngomzi owawukwesikamninawe kulandawo inedolophu akam-bali tu. Akabali kwa ithole leNtsasela yaseChefane, uZilimbola neyingumhlaba wooyise uThanjana (owanyenjwa ngoSatan hence Satan’s nek) newele elidala likaThanjana elinguNqanqa (owanyenjwa Devil).
Amagama, (awadumayo mhlawumbi emva kwesinyembo) yaba nguNophiki umnkaNqanqa, yanguNoneki (neck/nek) umnkaThanjana.
Mandlenkosi mfo kaNkabinde ngifisa ukuthi uyithole lencwadi (internet). Soxoxa kahle emva koko. Uma kunenganekwana ukuyithola, ukhulume phela ngenze kuba lula. Whatspp wami 0632896585.
makube chosi, kube hele mXesibe.